I'm not a total miserable ( I do like a half shandy a couple of times a year)but I always find that it is the same type of caravanner that seem to get yes the I have more than you blue rinse brigade, sitting outside or in the awning of the caravan with their glass (sorry) vat of white/red wine trying to make a statement to everyone, AHhhhh look at me I'm having a wonderful time' , till about the early hours of the morning, that is why I'm such a noisy git first thing in the morning especially when we are packing up, I love the sound of my waste container on gravel,