Alde Heating-Pro's & Cons

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As per heading what are the pro's and cons of this system ?
How often is it serviced ?
What is the extra cost of the service assuming it is over and above the normal service ?
How often do you have to change/drain the system ?
Is the additive some form of anti freeze, how often is this topped up/changed.
Has it proven itself against the blown air system ?

Thanks again folks.
 

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, I love the alde heating in our van. Nice and toasty compared to the blown air of last van which was pants. Gurgles a bit when it starts but otherwise no issues for us.
Not everyone agrees though.
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Is this is the underfloor system as fitted to the latest Buccaneers ? If so talking to an owner of said make with this fitted he told me he wasn't overwhelmed by it as it takes a while to warm the van up in the cold and had to supplement this with the gas fire.
 
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GrahamE said:
Is this is the underfloor system as fitted to the latest Buccaneers ? If so talking to an owner of said make with this fitted he told me he wasn't overwhelmed by it as it takes a while to warm the van up in the cold and had to supplement this with the gas fire.

Not sure myself yet Graham!!
All I have seen is there are mini radiators dotted around the van so think the underfloor one is different???
 
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Talking to someone on site only the other month who had had there fluid changed in there Unicorn Barcelona. Let's say they were well surprised :eek:hmy: by how much it cost as it's an extra if done when being serviced......So depending on how old your possible new van is ask when it was last changed and when it's due for changing again .... you might need a seat to sit on as the price can vary ;)

But a man with your talents should be able to change it himself :dry: ;)
 
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In recent years it might be easy to assume that wet is better than dry because there are more wet systems being introduced. I personally don't think there is a simple answer as to which is best, because it depends on a raft of individual circumstances. But both systems are quite capabale if selected and used correctly.

Caravan manufacturers may have a preference towards wet systems because of their smaller pipes which are easier to design into a caravan, in particular the routing of the water pipes is less critical compared to hot air ducts.

Technically water is a fantastic heat carrier, you can move more heat with water than you can with air. So it's necessary to balance a number of factors when designing a caravan.

Water systems with their better heat carrying capacity will tend to suit larger caravans - which is why the have so far tended to be fitted to top range and larger caravans. But whilst you can move the heat around the caravan more easily you then need to consider how to release that heat which usually involves a radiator (Or more accurately heat exchanger).

Floor space is generally at a premium in caravans so radiators tend to fitted inside seat lockers. This creates further issues with having to provide ventilation slots at at the back of the seat and a false wall to allow the convected heat to rise. Unfortunately this also usually means the radiator is effectively heating the locker as well, and that is not always a good thing and it reduces the heat available to the living space.

The radiators used are designed to maximise the convection of heat. This means the warmed air will rise simple because of its increased buoyancy compared to the cooler air around. This is rather gentle process, and it leads to the warm air collecting at the top of the caravan, and at the same time leaving cooler air closer to the floor. This leads to hot head, cold feet situation.

The same will occur with a basic gas heater, but the introduction of the blown air system puts mechanical energy into throwing out the hot air at floor level. This moves the air more vigorously which causes it to mix in a way that convection cannot match and it will reduce the top to bottom heat gradient effect. Installed and adjusted properly a blown air system can reduce temperature difference to less than 5C! Wet systems will be lucky if the difference is less than 10C!

The lazyness of the convected air from a wet system is the main reason why wet systems seem to take longer to thoroughly warm a caravan. So if you are particularly looking for a fast response go for blown air. Over a longer period there is less to separate the systems.

Blown air requires the fan to be running, and even though they are reasonably quiet, the wet systems will be quieter.

As for power consumption, that difficult to compare, as the power used by the blown air system is variable depending on the duty set by the the thermostat, and the heat losses of the caravan.

There's no danger of leaks with a blown air system, and ducts are easily repaired or replaced. Water pipe repairs are a bit more involved as is the need to ensure it is fully leak proof.

So it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. I hope this may help you decide.
 
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What a super post.
Many thanks ProfJohnL
I learned a lot.

On a very basic note I have heard that the wet systems can sometimes be quite inferior to blown air when attempting to dry wet clothes....

Being great walkers Mrs paws and I often end up with wet clothes after a longish walk during a typical British summer!

With our blown air system we hang the clothes to be dried in our tiny bathroom, and make sure the bathroom roof vent is open (although its usually open anyway) then open the floor level bathroom blown air outlet, close the bathroom door and then close the 3 other caravan blown air outlets in the main body of the caravan.

Next we switch on the blown air system, and the hot air powers out of the bathroom outlet, drying out the clothes on its way to exit via the roof vent.

Whilst Mrs paws and I enjoy a nice cuppa and a slice of cake in the main body of the caravan, the clothes dry a treat in the bathroom/drying room and rarely does it take much longer than an hour or so.

I'm not so sure that the wet systems would be quite as efficient as the blown air in this respect, but perhaps a "wet system" owner, who has tried drying wet clothes this way could comment.

Regards to all, and as always
Happy Caravanning
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paws said:
What a super post.
Many thanks ProfJohnL
I learned a lot.

On a very basic note I have heard that the wet systems can sometimes be quite inferior to blown air when attempting to dry wet clothes....

Thank you for your response.
Yes, one of the advantages of the blown air system is you can easily redirect heat to different parts of the caravan, where as with the wet system you are limited by the size of the radiator serving the area.

Drying clothes is always better with moving air, so the fact the hot air system is blown is an advantage. Wet systems will work but take longer.

Regardless of which system you have, when drying clothes it is important to open a window or preferably the roof ventilator to allow an escape route for the moisture laden air. If you don't open exterior ventilation the heating system will simply redistribute moist air throughout the caravan, with possible consequence of increased condensation.
 
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Had the Alde heating system for the last few years and prefer it to the previous blown air systems, it seems to heat the van more evenly and keep it at a comfortable temperature. It does take a bit longer to heat the caravan up from scratch on arrival but I find that if needed the quickest way is to switch on both gas and electric, choose highest wattage setting allowed on your pitch, and within half an hour you can turn the gas off as it should be warm enough.
It is much easier to set the temperature with the thermostat than the blown air, you can use the system without having the fresh water tank filled and I find it is much quieter than the blown air. Downside might be that you do need to run the circulation pump so if you are not on electric hook up, and no means of charging battery then you might have a problem. I always use hook up so doesn't apply to myself.
The fluid currently put in the system needs replaced after two years, apparently more to maintain its anti corrosion properties than anti freeze qualities. There is another fluid, approved by Alde, that lasts for five years before needing replaced, why they don't use that to start with I don't know! From what I have read elsewhere and heard from my own local dealership if you get that done when servicing you van it will cost around the the £200 to £250 mark. Quite a few people have posted elsewhere that they have done this work themselves for a fraction of the cost. It seems to be more time consuming than anything else and it is important to use the correct replacement fluid. There is more info about this on another forum, don't know if I am allowed to mention it by name, they do talk a lot about caravans though.
Overall I much prefer the Alde and really wouldn't want to go back to the blown air.
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Robtel said:
Had the Alde heating system for the last few years and prefer it to the previous blown air systems, it seems to heat the van more evenly and keep it at a comfortable temperature.....

Hello Rob,
That is a common comment, FIrstly assuming you are referring to a Carver/Truma space heater, with blown air, then they are just as capable as the wet systems of keeping a caravan at a constant temperature, but they are sometimes hampered by the caravan manufacturers poor positioning of the remote thermostats. There have been several threads about this on the frum. Correctly positioned and with the hot air outlets properly adjusted, you can achieve a far more even temperature distribution in a caravan because the fan forcibly mixes the air. That's something the wet systems just cannot do by themselves.

That doesn't make the wet systems bad, and many people like yourself find them to be perfectly good enough, but they simply cannot mix the air at floor level in the same way a fan can.

I have advised some people who have had caravans with wet systems where they did complain about hot head cold feet, to use an oscillating fan to mix the air up and this in virtually all cases did reduced the stratification effect and improve the overall comfort for them
 
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We have not used the Alde system so cannot comment on its effinciency. We have Truma heating though and find it works well for us. The latest system seems more efficient than the older ones we had and is far easier to control and heats up our Quasar pretty quickly.
The toilet at the rear takes longer and the best way to get that up to heat seems to be once the main body has heated up shut the vents there to get a better flow into the toilet but once heated it stays that way.
I am not convinced it is powerful enough for a large twin axle though but with a 5.6 m body on ours it gets the place comfortable within 30 minutes at the most. The Alde system seems to be over the top for most caravans to me but basically we have gone with what came with the caravan and found not found it wanting.
 
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Hi Prof
Regards your comments about "hot heads, cold feet", I hadn't really thought about that until I read your post. This was something that I actually did feel in previous vans with the blown air system, always felt there were cold drafts around my feet, but with all the vents in caravans wasn't surprised. Can't say I have experienced the same with the Alde though. Never done any tests with thermometers so can only go on how it feels.
 
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I can say the tried and tester Trumatic blown air system keeps our TA warm even in the height of the Christmas season snow.The fall back from the standard electric max of 2000watts is the extra 4 kw available when the gas burner is used.
The wet systems have an appeal as a move into new technology but in the long
run how long trouble free?
What I have noticed is a lot of these new systems are using very powerful combination type boilers which supply plentiful hot water.
Kev.
It wouldn't be a must have for me when choosing a new van.
 
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Dustydog said:
Kev.
It wouldn't be a must have for me when choosing a new van.

Thanks for all your replies, Dusty the question was only asked as the van we were interested in had this system and also the ATC, none of which I have any experiamce off.
Buy the way the van was rubbish :(
 
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Robtel said:
Hi Prof
Regards your comments about "hot heads, cold feet", I hadn't really thought about that until I read your post. This was something that I actually did feel in previous vans with the blown air system, always felt there were cold drafts around my feet, but with all the vents in caravans wasn't surprised. Can't say I have experienced the same with the Alde though. Never done any tests with thermometers so can only go on how it feels.

Hello Rob,
Neither heating system will prevent cold draughts from ventilators, The ventilators are there foe a very good reason and incidentally should never be blocked up. Its sometimes questionable where the manufactures actually put them, and Like you I did experience a caravan (cant remember which one) where you always got a cold draught round you ankles when you sat nearest the front window. and another where when you were standing at the cooker, there was usually a draught from under the fridge.

Assuming there is no technical reasons for one system to be performing differently than the other, then what important is which system suits you best. ;)
 
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We had the same Prof J. The Coachman 545 had a cold area next to front right hand window. Every where else was fine. Thought abought changing the air "hole " in the floor to change it, but thought "the designers know best. " but how much research do they actually do.
Just wish the would let Engineers design things.
 
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I can't remember the detail of the standard, and I know it changed in the late 1990's but in essence the size of the caravan will determine the cross sectional area of its fixed ventilation. The vents must be distributed between low level (usually floor) and high level to facilitate natural convection . The regulations also set out minimum distances of vents from flues, In addition to the fixed ventilation, there are requirements for "gas drop holes" associated with gas appliances.

Fridges are often an issue, as they should be "room sealed" but poor fitting usually means there are draught paths around them.
 
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Yes strange our old 545, the wife had a draft. On rH front side with the 545 , same drop gas hole, on 560. No draught. . . Maybe her Knitting. Or bigger glass of wine.
 
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We have two 2016 van (dont ask!) we are going to take one to leave in France.
the Coachman vip has Alde and the Elddis has blow air.
The alde wakes me up when it kicks in on thermostat in the night, the tank is in the wardrobe at the side of my head, also i find my feet are always cold as the vents are behind the front seats, having said this its a doddle to set up.
The blow air in the elddis is fantastic and warms the whole of the van very quickly.
After having loads of different vans over 30 years for me its still a good blow air system.
 

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