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Sad to say yesterday’s press have opened Pandora’s Box. The Origin of C19 is now in the public domain. Reading the analysis is hardly Bank Holiday reading. A man made disaster???
Have a good break everyone.
 
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Sad to say yesterday’s press have opened Pandora’s Box. The Origin of C19 is now in the public domain. Reading the analysis is hardly Bank Holiday reading. A man made disaster???
Have a good break everyone.
Which paper or media outlet was that in. I read that British Intelligence believe it to be feasible it came from the Wuhan Laboratory, but so do some elements of US intelligence agencies, whilst others parts of US agencies believe it to be a jump across the species. Be interested for a link to your source of yesterday.
 
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Yet again the Press seem to have a very special bunch of people who know much more than those with eminent qualifications .
However, the following is probably a much more accurate situation:

"Last week the Wall Street Journal cited US intelligence agencies who said they were told that three unnamed members of staff at a lab in the Chinese city of Wuhan were sick enough to go hospital in November 2019 with Covid-like symptoms.

US intelligence chiefs later stressed they did not know how the virus was transmitted initially, but that they had two theories: either it emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals, or it was a laboratory accident.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s The World This Weekend, Dr Dale Fisher said the theory that the virus leaked from a laboratory was “not off the table”, but remained “unverified”. Fisher, chair of the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network, which is coordinated by the WHO, urged the US to share any intelligence it had. “The Wall Street Journal is not really the way to share science,” he said."

The simple answer is ......nobody really knows (or if they do are not admitting it) how it all happened, and I very much doubt we ever will.
 
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As far as I am aware, and this from both daughters who are scientists, we have 2 two level 4 labs in this country, one is at Warwick university, which specialises in Ebola, Bird Flu and such, the other is Porton Down. For those not aware, Porton Down is where the MOD played around with all things nasty. The lab in Wuhan is Chinas Porton Down. Its not unthinkable that it is a laboratory escape, but leaping to that conclusion without real evidence isnt helpful. If there is evidence however, I personally feel that evidence should be in the public domain as there are tow many conspiracy theories flying around. It may too have leaped species, but it also appears as if it is Zoonotic. Apportioning blame at this stage isnt going to help us fight the damn thing.
 
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Yet again the Press seem to have a very special bunch of people who know much more than those with eminent qualifications .
However, the following is probably a much more accurate situation:

"Last week the Wall Street Journal cited US intelligence agencies who said they were told that three unnamed members of staff at a lab in the Chinese city of Wuhan were sick enough to go hospital in November 2019 with Covid-like symptoms.

US intelligence chiefs later stressed they did not know how the virus was transmitted initially, but that they had two theories: either it emerged naturally from human contact with infected animals, or it was a laboratory accident.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s The World This Weekend, Dr Dale Fisher said the theory that the virus leaked from a laboratory was “not off the table”, but remained “unverified”. Fisher, chair of the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network, which is coordinated by the WHO, urged the US to share any intelligence it had. “The Wall Street Journal is not really the way to share science,” he said."

The simple answer is ......nobody really knows (or if they do are not admitting it) how it all happened, and I very much doubt we ever will.
That’s one reason why President Biden has given the respective US intelligence agencies 90 days to develop their positions.
So there’s nothing new here in this thread really. Time to get on caravanning 😀 as this first became a theory in March 2020.
https://lancaster-chamber.org.uk/news/there-is-a-future-out-there
 

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For those not aware, Porton Down is where the MOD played around with all things nasty.

I remember Porton Down with some good and some bad memories.

I, along with some other personnel, actually volunteered to take part in some of their research and , in those days, paid very well, accomodation was good and the meals were first class.

The bad thing was no drinking, no contact with anyone outside the research facility and not enough reading material ........still ,,,,,,,paid well;)
 
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Which paper or media outlet was that in. I read that British Intelligence believe it to be feasible it came from the Wuhan Laboratory, but so do some elements of US intelligence agencies, whilst others parts of US agencies believe it to be a jump across the species. Be interested for a link to your source of yesterday.
Daily Telegraph
 
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They name the virologist in Wuhan as do boffins around the World. Say no more , let’s stay PC😃 I think a lot of worms will be crawling out the woodwork soon
 
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Damian, my old man went on one of the Porton Down jaunts during his days as a crab, and i remember in my early days there used to be the odd bulletin in the boards asking for volunteers. But with the old mantra of never volunteer for anything I always passed it by.
 

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Damian, my old man went on one of the Porton Down jaunts during his days as a crab, and i remember in my early days there used to be the odd bulletin in the boards asking for volunteers. But with the old mantra of never volunteer for anything I always passed it by.

Did he become a crab before or after his involvement in Porton Down? Surely he is entitled to compensation? ;):D
 
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I am more worried about the survival of friends and family, the inquest on where the problem came from can wait until we have the problem sorted.
I think that delaying an inquiry into 2022 is just kicking the bucket down the road. There is nothing to stop the preparations regarding its terms of reference, power of representation, scope, venue, and Inquiry Chairperson all being drafted such that it can make a prompt start.

Im not cynical but it smacks to me of an outright political decision to align with the likelihood of the Fixed Term Parliament Act being repealed and an election able to be called earlier and before an inquiry reports. Mind you Britain seems be the host to Inquiries R Us given the number that we have and the prolonged time it takes to report. Then followed by an apparently abject lack of action.
 
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It makes no differene where it came from - we still have deal with it and that should be the priority.

We do need to try and find out where it came from, so we can if possible, stop it from reoccuring, or so we can have an effective solution to prevent or manage any future mass infections.

Ilke Clive I see no practical reason to delay the start of an inquiry though its terms are at present unknown. But I fear its going to be turned into a party political witch hunt with wisdom of hind sight.

As memebers of the public we are never going to be told the whole truth whatever the authorities evntually find out or decide to blame the outbreak on.
 
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It makes no differene where it came from - we still have deal with it and that should be the priority.

We do need to try and find out where it came from, so we can if possible, stop it from reoccuring, or so we can have an effective solution to prevent or manage any future mass infections.

Ilke Clive I see no practical reason to delay the start of an inquiry though its terms are at present unknown. But I fear its going to be turned into a party political witch hunt with wisdom of hind sight.

As memebers of the public we are never going to be told the whole truth whatever the authorities evntually find out or decide to blame the outbreak on.
I agree with your views. A judge led inquiry with powers to subpoena witnesses under oath would ensure less politicisation.
 
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He was a NSman and for them Porton Down was an official skive. As he was RAF Rgt, I always assumed he was created by Porton Down. The mickey taking in our family is merciless and never stops. He was a batman and whilst at Tangmere with no1 served some real notaries inc Bader whom he knew well.
 
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