Excess weight in the caravan

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Deceiving insurance companies in order to get a reduced premium is folly, pure and simple.

If your son doesn't think he will be found out at claim time he is deluding himself.

It's because of the likes of your deceipt and the fact you got away with it 'many moons ago' that insurance companies are wise to it now.
Agree 100%!
 
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Many modern cars "hide" away data in their electronics which can be seen by dealers, manufacturers and insurance assessors - much of that "hidden" data is actually visible with good diagnostic software which is available to owners and independent workshops but the critical stuff can't be over-written by such software.
 
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It surprises me that AlKo were not prepared to fit a higher rated axle because they do offer such a service on the Continent.
Recertification is something that that one can organise one’s self. You don’t need to go through an intermediary, but you would have to contact the Vehicle Certification Agency and submit all the paperwork to cover the modification so that an IVA can be carried out. What that costs, I‘ve no idea.
Alko were not particularly helpful to my requests and even once ordered the new axle was delivered late. But I would not have bothered with recertification even if available. I would have retained the MTPML of 1300 kg .
 
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Changing the axle wouldn't have increased the MTPLM without re-certification by the caravan maker - I am watching the axle on my caravan and may need to replace it in the future - I enquired of Fraser-Brown who stated that even though my present 1500 kg axle would be rated for 1800 kg when rebuilt that even they couldn't re-certify the caravan to show an upgraded MTPLM.
I looked at FB and discussed it with them. I found a caravan workshop who would remove and refit the axle but who obviously did not want to accept responsibility for its performance or warranty. They also asked me to supply the shipping frame. Whilst I may have finished up with an improved axle the costs were nearing a straight order for an Alko replacement from my Swift dealer with full warranty responsibility.
 
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If you are over weight and supposedly illegal I am not sure how it can invalidate your insurance? Does this mean that when you park illegally your insurance is invalid? :ROFLMAO:

Caravan insurance as you have frequently pointed out sometimes includes limits on things like weight which if you exceed it the insurance may be void.

But if as the OP has stated they are exceeding the permitted vehicle weights ,
If you exceed a statutory weight or load limit, (and the same applies to speed limits) regardless of the amount you are illegal. The lawmakers do not set a tolerance on the limit, its black and white and absolute. Its the law enforcement officers that may apply a tolerance based of the capability of the measuring equipment. Because of the costs involved in pursuing a case, the enforcers will usually only pursue a case where there can be no reasonable doubt about the measurements used to prosecute.
 
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Caravan insurance as you have frequently pointed out sometimes includes limits on things like weight which if you exceed it the insurance may be void.

But if as the OP has stated they are exceeding the permitted vehicle weights ,
If you exceed a statutory weight or load limit, (and the same applies to speed limits) regardless of the amount you are illegal. The lawmakers do not set a tolerance on the limit, its black and white and absolute. Its the law enforcement officers that may apply a tolerance based of the capability of the measuring equipment. Because of the costs involved in pursuing a case, the enforcers will usually only pursue a case where there can be no reasonable doubt about the measurements used to prosecute.
The OP was in reference to the caravan and not the towing vehicle? Although the info is pertinent to the vehicle, I am not sure why the towing vehicle is even being discussed?
 
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Ok so almost all people will know the answer to these questions but as I don't know I would like to get a range of answers from seasoned experts on here.

  1. Why is it so important to keep the caravan weight as low as possible - apart from fuel economy maybe.
  2. What is nose weight and how does that affect towing and safety etc.

I know many may huff and puff at these questions exclaiming they are a must-know prior to towing but I honestly don't know the full ins and outs of it all, if at all. All I know is my van is probably overweight due to my other half filling it with all sorts of stuff for all eventualities, I keep saying yes and I tow the caravan with no problems so far. I have a decent-sized 2.2-litre Honda CRV and Sprite 450c Caravan.

I'm sure the comprehensive range of answers will help me fight the fight with my other half to lighten the load and to keep us as safe as possible on the road, not to mention help other newbies out too.

Thanks in advance for the replies
 
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All I believe is that the less weight in the caravan equals less chance of the tail wagging the dog. I may be wrong but I still put the heavy stuff (awning/beer/wife’s make up etc) in the car.
 
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The OP was in reference to the caravan and not the towing vehicle? Although the info is pertinent to the vehicle, I am not sure why the towing vehicle is even being discussed?
I made no reference to the "towing vehicle" I referred to the vehicle which can include the combined tow vehicle and trailer. And if either part or the combined vehicle is over weight it can affect insurance.
 
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All I believe is that the less weight in the caravan equals less chance of the tail wagging the dog. I may be wrong but I still put the heavy stuff (awning/beer/wife’s make up etc) in the car.
It is weight distribution in the trailer that can cause tail wagging the dog and not the weight itself. If you load the trailer so that the weight is at the rear that will cause the tail wagging the dog scenario. An empty caravan could even give you the same scenario if the nose weight is too light.
 
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Maybe Deejuk, by asking keeping the weight as low as possible, was meaning, as low down, is, not loading upper cupboards.
Therefore keeping the C of G low down, means the caravan is less likely to tip over when going around corners or roundabouts.
 
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