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mickk

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Hi all

The sudden price drop on fuel by supermarkets & some garages is very welcome But I bet it does not last for long, the robbing goverment will make sure of that.

Mick K.
 
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colin(bridgend)

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Tesco said today that they will only drop their price in line with local competition ie a petrol station cartell. Pound to a penny the Cheancellor will now add the 2p. tax back on to fuel in October.
 
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Richard rather surprised at your hostile remarks with regards to I quote your comments crappy Tesco and sainsbury stores selling inferior fuels, never ever had any problem with Sainsburys shops and their fuel, Cannot ever recall these two stores being in trouble with people having their cards cloned unlike certain Shell Garages, when I am forced to use Shell I always pay cash .
 
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colin(bridgend)

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Our local Tesco has dropped the price 2p per litre of diesel - we only have Sainsbury as supermarket competition. If they can drop the price by 4 or 5 pence in certain stores they should be forced to drop their price, no matter what the commodity is - be it petrol or groceries, it should be the same price drop throughout the country. Cartel operating is obvious with the large supermarkets and the powers that be are too b****y lazy to do any thing about it. The services on the M4 at Sarn Park (Junction 36) Sheel fuel, were lower than Tesco until last night - do not know what their price is now.
 
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colin(bridgend)

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Our local Tesco has dropped the price 2p per litre of diesel - we only have Sainsbury as supermarket competition. If they can drop the price by 4 or 5 pence in certain stores they should be forced to drop their price, no matter what the commodity is - be it petrol or groceries, it should be the same price drop throughout the country. Cartel operating is obvious with the large supermarkets and the powers that be are too b****y lazy to do any thing about it. The services on the M4 at Sarn Park (Junction 36) Sheel fuel, were lower than Tesco until last night - do not know what their price is now.
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SHELL FUEL - sorry
 
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Tesco said today that they will only drop their price in line with local competition ie a petrol station cartell. Pound to a penny the Cheancellor will now add the 2p. tax back on to fuel in October.
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If they try that it would be 'governmental suicide'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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andrew1608

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the thieving pigs in parliment don't care, since it's the tax payers who pay for there fuel and there drivers, when was the last time brown paid for fuel which was out of this own earnings
 
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Andrew "the thieving pigs in parliment don't care"

Please don't insult pigs in this way, they are nice animals and make a lovely breakfast.

When was the last time you went to your MPs surgery and questioned Him/Her about the expenses ??? or do you just rant on here ???
 
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RichL812

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Sorry, didnt mean to offend but it jsut hacks me off that Tesco and Sainsburys expect you to contribute to their profits - in Tesco's case, obscene profits - before they pass on a price cut they have been enjoying for a while.

Lets not forget that these stores are STILL making huge profits despite the credit crunch and yet their prices still go up.

I was told by a diesel fuel specialist that replaced an injector in my TDCi not to use Tesco fuel as it has extra additives and ethanol in it that TDCi's do not like.
 
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rob_jax

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Hi Richard,

"I was told by a diesel fuel specialist that replaced an injector in my TDCi not to use Tesco fuel as it has extra additives and ethanol in it that TDCi's do not like."

When you say "diesel fuel specialist that replaced an injector" I assume you mean a garage mechanic that been specially trained on diesel injection systems, rather than someone who designs and specifies what's in the various fuels...

Because there shouldn't be any significant level of Ethanol in diesel, it would perform no useful function... And EN590 (diesel fuel specification) places quite stringent limits on any Methanol that might be there (as a breakdown product of bio-diesel).

But there should be several percent of Ethanol in petrol across Europe - it's replaced a number of the other oxygenated compounds that have possible health issues. So maybe he was thinking of that...

As to the extra additives causing problems - then there is one criticism of supermarket fuel that I'd support - and that is that the additive pack in supermarket diesel isn't as complete as that found in, say, Shell or other branded fuel...

So I'd have agreed if the guy had said that there was LESS additives in supermarket fuel, but not too much...

Robert
 
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RichL812

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OK so I missed an M - sorry ;). If you google tesco diesel it states they put 5% bio diesel in their mix whereas other suppliers only put 2.5%. Tesco also own 25% of their fuel supplier now.

The diesel specialist was indeed a mechanic not a scientist. I always use Shell where possible - however does anyone put additives of their own in i.e injector cleaners or is that a big no no on the Mondeo TDCi?
 
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rob_jax

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Hi Richard,

Bio-diesel is actually a better fuel than EN590 petroleum diesel...

The EN590 specification calls for a minimum Cetane number of 51 (that's a performance indicator for the fuel - like the Octane number for petrol); and bio-diesel has a higher Cetane number than the base fuel.

Across Europe the amount of bio-diesel added to EN590 diesel varies from 2.5% through 5% to 7.5% - and France may go to 10% next year. Increasing the percentage of bio-diesel means the fuel burns better - and should produce increased power and economy (if the engine can self-tune and benefit from the higher performance fuel).

The other effect of adding bio-diesel is that it is at least as good at protecting the high pressure pump and injectors as the best lubricity additives - so that shouldn't cause a problem either, rather it should make the engine components last longer...

Injector cleaners - the manufacturers may issue a blanket clause that says "no additives are permitted" - and by that they mean stuff bought from Halfords as opposed to what Shell put in V-Power or standard diesel - and I'm sure they don't want to exclude the Ford service centre from offering to flush the injectors for
 
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It seems to me that the rumor that petrol suppliers have been engineering the price level of fuel has some credability.

We had a 4p drop in price at Morrisons Leominster.

It's amazing that a one off drop of 4p is on offer by all the major players happens overnight.In the past we have been drip fed 1p drops over weeks.

Again that see's out of character to drop so much in one go. Not that I'm complaining about the price drop as it is most welcome.

Steve L.
 
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SirRogerFFS

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while I understand the comments made here on the price of fuel at supermarkets ie Tesco & Sainsbury I find that Northampton and Banbury have actually taken off the equivellanmt to 10p as they have reduced fuel by 5p and the other 5p when you spend
 
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Rioja

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Like everyone else I too feel a severe pinch on the cost of fuel.

However, two questions someone out there no doubt knows the answers to rather than just generally hurling abuse at whoever the choice of target might be.

1)If the government wasn't currently making extra tax revenues from fuel what would be the alternative ? Tax revenue from elsewhere or more reductions in services ?

2)If the oil companies like BP are making such vast profits why are share prices still so low. BP peaked at
 
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nineteen4ever

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You'd like to think that the extra revenue would be used to pay off the enormous debt good ol' GB (what an irony! - nothing Great about Brown!) has dealt us during his term as Chancellor. Emigrate, before we start speaking Polish!

Is there a Canadian version of PCV?
 
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rob_jax

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Hi Rioja,

In 2003, the price of oil was around $30 a barrel and now rather more than that - and whether this quadrupling in price was caused by market speculators, or OPEC wanting more money, or a true shortage in China and India, or all three - this has had a dramatic windfall effect on the profits of every company pumping oil, but the share price tells a different story...

The share price is a good indicator of long term potential, basically how good a company is at finding new oil reserves - and in truth BP hasn't performed that well at all.

For instance, Petrobras (Brazil) and Cairn Energy have been very good at finding new oil reserves - and Cairn has seen it's share price jump by 800+% during the self same period that BP's share price has fallen back.

Also BP's share price wasn't helped by the very serious fatal accident at their Texas City refinery...

Robert
 
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