Fuel prices gone mad!!!!!!

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I've posted this topic time and time again to try to engage some unilatteral support and actions.
You see, words are cheap especially on a forum and fre WI FI.
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It has been muted today on BBC news that soon we will see fuel at £6 a gallon !!!!!!!!!!

While the average factory worker is only getting a 1% wage rise which equates to a real rise per annum of 0.4%, inflation is running at 4%. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that we are already in negative equity in the wage packet by 3.6%.

Hampson transport reported earlier in the week that every 1p put on fuel means an extra cost of £5'000 per annum to them, and a cost they have to absorb as much as they can.

Even Mr Average car driver spending £40 a week in fuel is £84-76 per annum worse off since christmas eve. Or 4% worse off.
That's just a few facts about your daily vehicle costs to show just how much we are being ripped off!!!

Yet nobody seems to want to make a stand to raise the profile of the motorist or the road haulier.

You won't get any help from the westminster as they are coining in around 90p a litre in fuel tax and vat. They'll "talk the talk" about capping fuel prices and trying to disguise their tax revenue from road users. But you won't see action because they are too comfortable with the revenue.

As usual it will be down to us the tax paying, car/truck driving public to make a stand. Comment removed


By simply stopping, staying in your vehicle and not being vocal or a physical threat you are simply and peacefully making a point.
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I hear what your saying mate, the goverment promised that if the fuel price went up they would take less revenue and visa versa if it fell they would take more resulting in a steady price at the pumps. Well theres another election promise gone by the board, as long as they are raking it in they arnt going to change things. Im doing my bit by not using my car as much, either walking or on my bike, if more people did this the tax they get in might drop and they would have to drop the prices. I live in redcar and lazy motorists go to tesco which is always 2p higher than morrisons across the road , go to morrisons then tesco would have to reduce there prices, we can all do things to protest to this money grabbing goverment.
 

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steveinleo said:
I've posted this topic time and time again to try to engage some unilatteral support and actions.
You see, words are cheap especially on a forum and fre WI FI.
It has been muted today on BBC news that soon we will see fuel at £6 a gallon !!!!!!!!!!..................................
I'm sure that we are all suffering due to the recent fuel price hikes Steve.
I share your sense of outrage when I read of speculators greedily forcing up the price of fuel to increase their obscene profits.
I shall remember when it's election time the attempts by successive governments to force me to bow down to tree huggers and to promote the sales of glorified milk floats which is what electric vehicles are as far as I'm concerned.
I've no doubt that most forum members share your sentiments Steve.

The problem is Steve that this website can't be used to organise fuel protests or collective action by motorists because the terms and conditions of the use of this website don't permit it.
This means that if you want to organise fuel protests you have every right to do so, I'll probably join in, but in order to do this you will need to obtain your own website first rather than by attempting to use one not connected with your campaign and not owned, run or paid for by you.
If you want to know which terms and conditions prohibit your organising fuel protest from Practical Caravan forum I'll be happy to copy them to this topic.
 
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I would love to start a protest in my area, much in the same way as the wagon drivers did. trouble is I would not know where to start with it. I know you would have to make sure the route of the protest has to be checked out by the police so that there would be no dangers. Other than that .............anyones guess.
I stood at the local council elections a few years ago, my reason was in part to work from the inside out and go against things like price rises. I came second to a Labour concillor. Listening to the banter between the councillors that were elected it is a closed scene and they dont like outside influence. it is totally apparent that they just like the freebees and tax perks like FREE FUEL AND ALCHOHOL AND FOOD.
So I guess to try to stand up to any government that are only in it for what THEY can get out of it for themselves is going to hard to do. So I totally agree with you steveinleo that we should try someway to get together and go against the machine of twisted power.
 
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herd it all before, but its simply TOO LATE now and pointless.
4 years ago it could have been a different story,but there was little support for the truckers then, and now with this recession, even truckers would have to think twice before taking time off paid work to demonstrate in a big enough force to actually get anyone to take any real notice!
Besides this government has no cash,it needs cash, if by a miracle enough pressure could be put on the government to actually do something, then maybe VAT would go up another 2.5% or some other tax would have to go up instead.how about £200 more for roadtax?

Its too late its about tax[money in the coffers] and has very little to do with anything else..
 
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the last government made roadblocks illegal,. Basically if the truckers did it again they face losing their rigs and massive fines.
Also , dont forget , the last time they tried they were only trying to obtain a rebate for commercial vehicles.. there was no intention of trying to reduce prices for domestic motorists.
 
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Philspadders said:
the last government made roadblocks illegal,. Basically if the truckers did it again they face losing their rigs and massive fines.
Also , dont forget , the last time they tried they were only trying to obtain a rebate for commercial vehicles.. there was no intention of trying to reduce prices for domestic motorists.
Thats what I like to see solidarity! short memory, as lorries went from roadblocks to rolling road blocks or rather go slows, which effectively the law cannot do anything about.
you may also recall the freeze put on higher taxation of fuels back in 2000, that kept the tax hype of all fuels for all users! again haulage led the way on that. so much for the transport industry doing it just for themselves, note these were lifted in 2006 hence the protects of 06!
I just cannot wait till a few big haulage companies go bust, and then the haulage industry can start charging a far fairer rate for transportation, at the moment they/we are cutting each others throats.fuel rises and the recession over the last couple of years have made it very difficult for all I know, but in the transport industry the cost can be even greater add the new emission laws in major citys not only meaning euro 5 compliance of hgv vehicles will be needed, so they need to be bought! and at the moment what will they be bought with? everybodies cutting each others throat for work! but then add to that newer vehicles also have higher running costs too.
So who do you think will be paying for this eventually? and I can tell you the new 2.5% vat hype will actually look good value!
 
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Our local Tesco is charging 133p for diesel.
using a comparison site, i found 3 other local outlets cheaper.
Morrison, asda, and esso.
So filled up at the esso as we were passing, saved around 3p a litre.
Ironically on our way back home we did our shop at tesco.
passing the filling station cars were STILL queuing for the dearer fuel?
 
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As far as I am concerned the only way to put a stop to it. That is for everyone to stop using BP to force their prices down then move to say Shell and so on.
But as we all know it will never happen, there are too many people who will whinge all day long and do nothing else.

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ats what I like to see solidarity! short memory, as lorries went from roadblocks to rolling road blocks or rather go slows, which effectively the law cannot do anything about.

You are very wrong about that. Legislation was passed to prevent truckers from using rolling road blocks and go slows. A number of truckers were prosecuted for doing just that. It comes under legislation covering obstruction of the queens highway.
You may also be interested in the following.
VED for trucks has been frozen since 2001
Truckers pay a reduced fuel duty on greener fuels
Large haulage companies by their fuel in bulk and much lower prices than we pay retail
Hauliers claim back the VAT on fuel.

A by product of the high fuel prices has seen a massive jump in the efficient use of good vehicles by the larg hauliers. This has seen many of them actually recover the full cost of fuel plus 10% , leading to cheaper haulage rates for businesses.
Its the small, independant trucking companies or self employed drivers that are hit hardest and with out the specialist skills needed will continue to suffer so the government shold do more to help them manage their fuel use.
I see many truck that are empty as solo drivers rarely have a return load booked up. However there are a number of online schemes available for truckers to accept return loads. I use one my self. I have one small company that delivers from Plymouth to Aberdeen and on the way logs in to the site to check for return loads and i usually have some.
He admits however that the uptake of these schemes is very low.

We need to get more goods back onto rail as its a much more efficient method of transport.

This is not anti truckers Johnny , but a statement of fact. It has nothing to do with solidarity. Its the way it is. Yes fuel is expensive and the duty and the vat is 80% of the price we pay.
One bonus with high prices is that we drive more sedately and more responsibly, and with careful management of the way we drive we can go some way to negate the increases,
I drive a bmw 32d at work and have have reduced my driving speeds, i dont accelerate away from junctions etc, i let the car build up speed. I use the gears more carefuly, i think further ahead , reduce braking etc. I cover about 500 miles per week and it was costing £70 to fill the tank, covering the same mileage this week it still cost £70.0 to fill the tank.
 
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Ok I understand the forum and rules.
But the edition of the very start typifies the basic hurdle.
Stick your head above the parapit and you get your knuckles wrapped.
Until the motorist's and hauliers find a way to embarace the powers that be in a way simlar to fishfight.net, then we will be troden down.
 

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steveinleo said:
Ok I understand the forum and rules.
But the edition of the very start typifies the basic hurdle.
Stick your head above the parapit and you get your knuckles wrapped.
Until the motorist's and hauliers find a way to embarace the powers that be in a way simlar to fishfight.net, then we will be troden down.

Steve
When you posted dates and places to begin some sort of collective action on this forum there was no other choice other than to edit the parts of the topic which would breach the rules of the forum and potentially incite others to break the law.
I'm sorry to have to say that the 'basic hurdle' as you put it was in not first of all considering the implication for this forum from the arrangements that you made and also checking if what you had written would be suitable for inclusion on our message boards.

I'm not here to 'rap knuckles', I could have taken your entire post down but I simply removed the sections which would lead to problems.
If you want to 'stick your head above the parapet' then first of all you have do do the necessary spadework in order to possess such a parapet, in other words you would need to organise any internet based campaign from your own internet website, you can't just hi-jack somebody else's to do your organising from.
 
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I have no intention of hijaking any web forum Parksy.
I pressumed that as we predominately use a lot more fuel towing our caravans, there would be a percentage of people who might share the view of petrol prices and might just for once want to do something about it.
I for one would of thought that cc and c&cc plus leading magazines like Pc would of been openly lobbying government from a stand point of being a formidable organisation representing a very sustantial portion of the car driving public.

Caravans by nature of design need a car to tow them which burns fuel at a faster rate than when it is solo. If car drivers are driven into having to get more fuel efficient vehicles which inevitably will have a lower towing capacity. Then in a very short time there may well be no caravan industry to advertise about.

I noticed on our summer seasonal site last year, just how few tourers were out and about other than at bank holidays. They have very obviously reined in the expences and plumped for just three main trips. Even the amount of european visitors were drastically down on the previous year. When I spoke to our visitors they had said that fuel cost's were definately strangling their desire to use the caravan. Some had specifically chosen the site as a bus service runs from the end of the drive which they can use for free, again trying to be economic with the fuel.
 
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Unfortunatly the truckers & their unions based their objections & demands on the basis of the effects fuel priced would have on their profits,instead of emphasising what increases in fuel tax would do to the everymans cost of living & to travel cost. if they had emphasised the rise in everymans cost of living & minimized their own losses they may have achieved a far greater support from the general public.instead they made themselves look as self centred as the goverment
 
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Philspadders said:
ats what I like to see solidarity! short memory, as lorries went from roadblocks to rolling road blocks or rather go slows, which effectively the law cannot do anything about.

You are very wrong about that. Legislation was passed to prevent truckers from using rolling road blocks and go slows. A number of truckers were prosecuted for doing just that. It comes under legislation covering obstruction of the queens highway.
You may also be interested in the following.
VED for trucks has been frozen since 2001
Truckers pay a reduced fuel duty on greener fuels
Large haulage companies by their fuel in bulk and much lower prices than we pay retail
Hauliers claim back the VAT on fuel.

A by product of the high fuel prices has seen a massive jump in the efficient use of good vehicles by the larg hauliers. This has seen many of them actually recover the full cost of fuel plus 10% , leading to cheaper haulage rates for businesses.
Its the small, independant trucking companies or self employed drivers that are hit hardest and with out the specialist skills needed will continue to suffer so the government shold do more to help them manage their fuel use.
I see many truck that are empty as solo drivers rarely have a return load booked up. However there are a number of online schemes available for truckers to accept return loads. I use one my self. I have one small company that delivers from Plymouth to Aberdeen and on the way logs in to the site to check for return loads and i usually have some.
He admits however that the uptake of these schemes is very low.

We need to get more goods back onto rail as its a much more efficient method of transport.

This is not anti truckers Johnny , but a statement of fact. It has nothing to do with solidarity. Its the way it is. Yes fuel is expensive and the duty and the vat is 80% of the price we pay.
One bonus with high prices is that we drive more sedately and more responsibly, and with careful management of the way we drive we can go some way to negate the increases,
I drive a bmw 32d at work and have have reduced my driving speeds, i dont accelerate away from junctions etc, i let the car build up speed. I use the gears more carefuly, i think further ahead , reduce braking etc. I cover about 500 miles per week and it was costing £70 to fill the tank, covering the same mileage this week it still cost £70.0 to fill the tank.
Sorry,but let me correct you. firstly yes hauliers can indeed claim the VAT back, but, you still have to buy the fuel up front! with running cost and cash flow being imperative its hardly the golden goose, remember we have to layout for everything upfront and then wait to be paid, and in real terms the cost to hire us has not increased by any substantial amount since 2000!
if you buy fuel in bulk its still a huge amount of tied up cash and for the record buying in bulk does not save you as much as you think! we do buy bulk monthly and at times when we have already layed out 25 plus K for fuel, we will find using one of our fuel cards will actually give us a better rate! and of course paying 25 grand up front for our fuel is again a huge amount to find each month up front! and this fuel is what we call emergency rations! so even though we are only a small company with 11 or so vehicles our monthly fuel layout is huge!

Incidentally VED rates have been lowered for some classes of hgv, especially Artics ! but this adds up to a few hundred pounds for certain vehicles a year, again hardly a lot and besides artics are not the only vehicles on this planet! so the saving to companies like us using a spectrum of vehicles up to 26 tonnes isn't a great amount when you consider how fuel prices have risen and how fuel prices are the major outlay of our industry, and indeed we still have higher rates of VED for our commercial vehicles than many of our neighbours.
We now run two Euro 5 lorries and a van that are actually slightly worse on fuel than the vehicles they replaced! Plus euro5 lorries have to run with ad blu! which is another "new" added cost!
"Back loads" you make it sound as its the fault of hauliers for not taking on back loads! that's wrong not everybody goes out open to offers of back loads.
We do actually get the occasional "back load" especially when we run up to Scotland from the Midlands but its not a regular thing, this is something artics can do if they are out all week or a few days trying to find work,as they have spare time on there hands, do you get what I mean? but like so many hauliers what you seem to forget is we have commitments in place for our customers so we are hardly in a postion to take on a back load from say Scotland to Plymouth or even any place that' stops us reloading for our next job, so we do use the system but its a case of if something fits in with us. this applies to many companies and we are glad for the extra work, but alot of the time its simply not possible due to time restrictions and commitments.

"driving styles" now this is an old chestnut,and i can see where you are coming from but there is a limit to how to apply this, clearly only now are you trying to conserve fuel as in the discripition, but we as a company has already been doing this for what 6 years!
so its hardly something we can apply now to save money!
So we have no more room for leverage on that score and you will find this applies to so many hauliers, so the advice is N/A.

As for the legality of rolling roadblocks! you need to use your imagination! If in convoy on a single carriageway it is simply not visable to take action against ALL concerned! as anyone in the queue can easily claim they could not safely overtake the other vehicles!add to that by simply sticking to all advisory road traffic laws, you can actually end up with a rolling roadblock because of sheer numbers of vehicles using a single carraigeway!
Therefore not breaking any law, its just a case of applying common sense!
A good example would be to lead a protest of a considerable number of extra lorries into say London at morning rush hour along the main in ways. Sticking to the law, letting out vehicles from side roads following the letter of the law concerning handbrake on handbrake off, leaving space in front of you stopping for lights ect ect would cause an obsolete huge but LEGAL rolling roadblock with congestion in the city taking all day to clear.

Now whilst i do not advocate this, and personally cannot see the point of doing it now, it is fisable practical and legal and would have forums full of complaints concerning the chaos that it would cause commuters.
 
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I don't think I have ever read such a load of rubbish in my life....the fuel situation is a GLOBAL problem...not one that exists just in this country.As for supporting lorry drivers, who some of you seem to think are on the side of all motorists, forget it. They are on the side of lorry drivers and sod evryone who gets in their way. You only have to drive on the motorway a few miles (with or without a caravan) to see this. As for blocking roads on the way to work, what a great idea...NOT.
Its a very complicated issue, and the causes are many....greed being one. As has already been said, if the duty/tax was reduced on fuel, it would only be increased on other goods.
Simple answer....if fuel has gone UP 4% - drive 4% less....walk the kids to school, use the bus etc etc. it'll do you and the environment a bit of good.
 
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Please explain why you think it will improve the environment when there are several active volcanoes spewing out more CO2 in one day that the whole of mankind can do in several years. As for walking to work that si a joke as we live several miles from the town and the first bus through here is at about 9am. There is no shortage of oil worldwide as many huge fields are still unexploited.
 
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brightmore said:
I don't think I have ever read such a load of rubbish in my life....the fuel situation is a GLOBAL problem...not one that exists just in this country.As for supporting lorry drivers, who some of you seem to think are on the side of all motorists, forget it. They are on the side of lorry drivers and sod evryone who gets in their way. You only have to drive on the motorway a few miles (with or without a caravan) to see this. As for blocking roads on the way to work, what a great idea...NOT.
Its a very complicated issue, and the causes are many....greed being one. As has already been said, if the duty/tax was reduced on fuel, it would only be increased on other goods.
Simple answer....if fuel has gone UP 4% - drive 4% less....walk the kids to school, use the bus etc etc. it'll do you and the environment a bit of good.
Did you forget your Socrates "be kind for everyone is fighting a hard battle" Or maybe it does not include lorry drivers!
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The price of crude oil may well be at a global high, but that is somewhat irrelevant when here in the uk, we are the most taxed fuel consumers. The actual cost of a litre of fuel at the pump including profit margins for whole sale and retail is a mere 49p. All the rest of the cost of your litre is down to taxation.
As for britain being "great" or the uk being "united" is about as rare as hens teeth. There are far too many who couldn't give a s**t as long as they're ok jack.
What is needed for a change is a show of comradeship and unity.
 
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hi all
especially steve in leo for whom I have the greatest respect, and in most subjects I would probably agree with 100% however on this point I feel the moment has been lost a long time ago and with it the argument.
the fact is most motorists inc us that tow a tin box behind the car have accepted high fuel prices as a matter of course and will never have any impact on fuel duty either now or in the future the only thing possible is to use less fuel and thereby reduce the cost to ourselves.
ok so this is a "im all right jack" attitude that I for one hate to the extreem but as it is I see no alternative, those of us lucky enough to have a bus pass use it and leave the car at home if you have a big car get rid an get a small one that is if you can actually get rid of it that may be difficult to do. however by the time prices reach £2 a litre (and they will) you wont be able to give them away,
some hard choices have to be made by everyone I now use the car now only for essential journeys and save £10 a week in the process despite the new fuel price and our annual pilgrimage to cornwall has been cancelled . in favour of a reduced period in the peak district nearer home I may even have to go back to work part time who knows.
one thing is for sure it wont get any better any time soon in the words of my father long time deceased when we were having difficulties in the 80s "stop complaining son get your head down and get on with it" the pedestrian tree huggers are winning and the lumberjacks are redundant.

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Hi Colin.
Your most probably right. The aspect of life lost today is where people stood shoulder to shoulder and while they personally made little difference, as a collective there was a voice heard.

Typical of this was when I was a CNC setter operator at a company which had no union but a Joint Consutative Comity. (excues the spelling). We were told that the company was changing to triple shift working from 12 hour days/nights which lost everyone £150 a wk in overtime pay. The JCC was supposed to workout a deal and all we got was 50P/Hr or £20 p/wk. They were aledged to be the voice of the workforce selected by the workforce, but I soon discovered that it was the management who picked the candidate and it was the company who "trained" the muppet as well.

Then came the move of the whole company from Bromyard, 16 miles further away to Worcester. The manager along with his nodding dogs (JCC reps), announced to us in a group meeting that, we would be moving to Worcester and that everyone would have to apply for their jobs. I piped up and told him infront of the whole workforce. "If you do that then we will all claim, constructive dismissal! you have to move jobs with the factory as your not changing our process. Therefore you have to offer a continued contract and it should include a pay deal commencerate with the city pay structure. I knew they were on a lot more at Worcester. He scamppered away , tocome back the next dat offering existing employment to all plus a wage increase and travel funding for 2 years to compensate those who now travelled and those who had a longer journey. I got £60 a wk for 2 years, equivilent to free fuel plus service cost's for my car. Then because they had not put a closeure date on this incentive, I got 2 years more, until HR issued an ammendment contract which took me a year and a week to agree, which got me the second year asI'd negotiated a 1 year roll out period simlar to their manufacturing contracts, based on the fact that if they can give their customers a years notice of change then they could do the same for it's workforce. I had to do a hell of a lot of research ad take legal advice from an employment law specialist, which was paid for by the other shopfloor workers, but we won in the end.

So if it could be done once, could it not be done on a larger scale now?
 
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It is widely recognised that the UK has one of the highest road fuel duties in the world. Taking figures already provided only about £0.49 is the cost of the fuel; the rest is made up of duty and VAT.

The Govt (of which ever persuasion) have agreed a fuel duty escalator on the premise that it will fund research and measures to limit climate change.

There has been an effect; about ten to fifteen years ago the typical mpg for petrol driven family saloon cars was not much more than about 30mpg. The equivalent cars to day will frequently do 40mpg or more. So we have seen some significant efficiency savings. BUT over the same period the total mileage of all cars in the UK has probably had to increase for many reasons and by no means least is the way that many jobs are now further away from the employees homes, and the loss of an effective public transport system. So the fuel efficiency savings have been largely negated by the greater use of cars and lorries.

Now the big question is, the money collected from drivers was it used to fund the research that produced these savings? No, the research and development has been borne by the car manufactures

The government has provided some grants for energy saving, but I bet it has collected a lot more than it has given out.

In consideration of the transport industry it is my view that we now rely far too much on lorry transport of goods. For long distances we should be making far more use of rail between strategic nodes or hubs, and for short distances we simply have too many different business trying to compete for local short distance deliveries.

On a typical day in our cul-de-sac we have up to ten separate parcel delivery vehicles all competing for the same business, plus the furniture and white goods stores own deliveries, not to mention the five supermarket on-line shopping services.

Most of these vehicles are not fully loaded so how much fuel is wasted.

The fact is that successive governments have failed to look at the transport needs of the country, and the deregulation of transport was a bad move as it moved the criteria away from public service to private profit.

I cannot understand the concept that a publicly owned operation cannot be made to function as economically as a private one, and rather than paying dividends to a few shareholders, any profit is fully ploughed back into the operation either to effect improvements or to hold prices down. – Its down to how they are managed, and if that is criticism on public servants then so be it.
 
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Well put John.
It has been down to motor manufacturer developement that we the public have been able to keep our vehicles running. I've changed from a petrol car doing 40mpg to a diesel capable of 58Mpg. The main consideration being to make my £40 of fuel go further.

If our beloved government invested in the public transport network then I would gladly use it. Likewise, when I had to use a commercial vehicle to deliver our goods, I always made sure it was better than 70% loaded with either customer goods, or our raw material (brass bar). That way i felt I could justify the cost of purchase £7500 for a secondhand Diahatsu F70 and £1400 for a new Ifor Williams 3500Kg trailer. so I supose even then back in the 80's/90's, I was trying to be as "green-ish" and efficient as I could with our resources.

All the elected twerps can do is slap yet more tax on fuel, because it is arguably the most used utility and least likely to be removed from the average family budget. We need cars to get to work because there is never a convienient bus or train here in Herefordshire timed to get people to work on time. I shudder to think what my fuel bill would be if I was still commuting 30 miles each way to Worcester to work.

The other issue we are faced with today is that, the spirit to stand together as a collective has gone. In it's place all I see is appathy. Back in the days of Scargill and Red Robbo, the government took some notice and the media made sure national news was made of any dispute or protest march. As I said at the start people just haven't got the "bottle" to stand together and be accountable.

Why do we not see motoring organisations like AA, RAC, Top Gear or Fith Gear standing along with CC and C&CC plus the associated magazine teams, and the Road Haulage Association, Road Transport Association, all making the same stand? If there was an across the transport/road user spectrum united voice, then I believe that with the news coverage and press coverage, the berks at parliament would have to take notice at least.

But hey ho! That takes true grit and determination.
 
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Because 10 vans deliver to one street doesn't mean that they the loads have not all been trunked to central hubs in bulk and that the vans have not taken out full loads.
Loading on to and off of the rail system from trucks is not very efficient. Over 20 years ago they tried to open a rail hub at the huge Milton Park Trading Estate at Didcot. I've no idea if it ever took off but I know that the government were the largest tennants on the estate and their detailed research dismissed the use of rail in favour of trucking due to cost and efficiency.
'Public Transport' We avoid as much as possible. I don't want to pay to sit in cramped smelly rail or bus seats with unhealthy strangers I don't even know and listen to their dismal chatter or Ipod overload and mobile calls! If people want public transport they should be paying the full price for it and public transport should only be funded by profits it generates!
Get fuel prices down and people will spend more money on other things, keeping fuel prices high just screws the economy and the politicians just need to catch on to that fact.
 
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OmOnWeelz said:
'Public Transport' We avoid as much as possible. I don't want to pay to sit in cramped smelly rail or bus seats with unhealthy strangers I don't even know and listen to their dismal chatter or Ipod overload and mobile calls! If people want public transport they should be paying the full price for it and public transport should only be funded by profits it generates!

well good for you just keep paying and be happy.
public transport is just that transport for the general pubic the reason it is overcrowded is because there is not enough of it..
I take it from the above comments then you dont use public loos and have the shopping delivered so you dont have to queue at the checkouts with all the other unhealthy people and of course you never answer your phone in public in case it annoys someone else do you??????
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nudge nudge say no more.
 

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