Hi BigS thanks for the reply but I left home to go to Hafan y Mor site the day you posted your comment about the site, but your right in everything you wrote.I returned on saturday and had a great 2weeks, the touring site is only 3years old and is immaculate , the 2 wardens Mike &Paula could'nt have been more helpful, there are plenty places to visit in the area and some lovely villages with their market days. I know some people think Haven can be expensive at times but oh and myself n 2 dogs had 14nights for £308 all singing n dancing pitch with hard standing, not bad especially when you get entertainment if you want it, the only problem we had (slate&shale on awning pitch hard to keep pegged down but it did'nt spoil such a good site.It's definitely worth a try.