Insignia towcar - curb weights

[Gareth_374543229]

We are venturing into the world of caravanning sometime soon. We are looking at a 6 birth caravan and our current short list includes the Coachman Amara 570-6. Its MTPLM is 1600kg. I have been trying to find the exact kerb weight of my Insignia but I am really struggling. The owners manual list two figures one is the basic model with no optional extras (1733kg) , the second is the basic model with all extras (1918kg). Mine is the Elite model so I guess has quite a few options. I have written to Vauxhall and all I got was the figure of 1733kg. I dont know if any of the numbers include a driver

So, I am getting my knickers in a bit of a twist as I would like to get to the 85%. figure if I can but for the life of me I cannot find the correct kerb weight of my car. I thought about trying towsafe, I dont mind spending the £15 if it means they can give me a sensible answer but if the manufacture cant give me one what hope do I have?

Anyway, as you can see, my head is all over the place

I will stop rattling on.

Gareth

 

[Sproket]

Fill it with fuel , empty the boot of all none essentials, take it to weigh bridge & weigh it.

 

[Lutz]

The V5c certificate should state the kerbweight under Section 4 Item G (Mass in Service). Any other figure, whether found in an internet database, a brochure, or owner's handbook, will only be approximate unless quoted specifically for the chassis number in question.

 

[ProfJohnL]

Hello Garath,

Save yourself the

 

[Lutz]

Figures quoted by Vauxhall will almost certainly include the driver as Opel in Germany has technical responsibility for Vauxhall models and they will specify data according to EU Directive 95/48/EC which uses the term MIRO and that includes the diver.

Kerbweight, on the other hand, has no legal definition, but is only covered by convention within the car industry. It does not normally include the driver.

UK law talks about unladen weight. Although it was generally understood to be identical with kerbweight, as a result of harmonisation with EU, the term unladen weight will be changed to reflect the MIRO interpretation due to the possibility of misinterpreting the term 'kerbweight'.

Why the V5c certificate has introduced another term 'Mass in Service' is bizarre. It is assumed that MIRO is what is actually meant.

For most purposes, however, it is debatable whether the difference between all these definitions is of any practical consequence although I would assume that the police would look at the figure shown in the V5c certificate in case the driving licence weight criterion is an issue. Whether they would accept a weighbridge print-out is questionable.

 

[Lutz]

To complicate matters even more, I have just seen that the Directgov website states that unladen weight does not include fuel. This would differentiate it from kerbweight (usually understood to include a full tank) or MIRO (which includes a 90% full fuel tank plus an additional 75kg for the driver and sundry items).

 

[Gareth_374543229]

To complicate matters even more, I have just seen that the Directgov website states that unladen weight does not include fuel. This would differentiate it from kerbweight (usually understood to include a full tank) or MIRO (which includes a 90% full fuel tank plus an additional 75kg for the driver and sundry items).

Thanks all. I will get a copy of the V5 from the fleet department.

 

[xtrailman]

If you are concerned, get both caravan and car weighed. The tow bar will add another 30kg approx, don't bother to remove all your bits and pieces, just fuel to about 50% and weigh it.

i think you will be surprised at the results.