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Hi,
I'm brand new to caravaning, in fact so new I havent even got a caravan yet.
I'm so confused and bewildered. I just can't work out if I can tow a caravan with my car.
My car is a Peugeot 207sw 1.6vti auto.
The max tow weight is 1150
Tow ball weight 46
Kerb weight 1328
Gross train weight 2678
Can anyone please help? If I can tow, what can I tow? Ideally I'd like a 4 berth, not sure if this is a possibility?
Thank you in advance.
 
Mar 13, 2007
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Caravanozzy said:
Hi,
I'm brand new to caravaning, in fact so new I havent even got a caravan yet.
I'm so confused and bewildered. I just can't work out if I can tow a caravan with my car.
My car is a Peugeot 207sw 1.6vti auto.
The max tow weight is 1150
Tow ball weight 46
Kerb weight 1328
Gross train weight 2678
Can anyone please help? If I can tow, what can I tow? Ideally I'd like a 4 berth, not sure if this is a possibility?
Thank you in advance.
hi and welcome to the forum,
as with all these questions from newbies, sometimes the answers are not very helpful. because the content and detail of the question is lacking some vital information, this is understandable because being new to the hobby one does not know how to structure the question, to get the information one is looking for.
one thing one has to do is some research before hand, as there is a good possibility that one can answer ones own question before it is asked,

having said that let me give you some pointers. you have stated the model of your car but not the year this could be important as not all new generation cars can tow, and if they can some models have restrictions imposed on them due to some technical or design features. [reference] read the thread about BMW 320ed in technical.
the important information is on the vehicle VIN plate, this has 4 lines of numbers 1. the vehicle max gross weight 2. the maximum train weight 3. the maximum front axle weight 4. the maximum rear axle weight.
to find the max tow weight deduct figure in 1. from the figure in 2. if there is no figure in 2. and is blank the car cannot tow a trailer,
if there is a figure in both 1 and 2 these are the ones to use. you appear not to have done this yet as you are quoting kerb weight this has nothing at all to do with the legalities of towing,
and it also appears you are using the wrong values, because, a max trailer weight of 1150 kg plus the kerb weight would mean the max gross weight was unknown this cannot be right.
without doing the sums from the VIN plate it is impossible to be sure that the quoted figure of 1150kg is correct.
do the sums and get back with the figures, there is no wonder you are bewildered.
once you have a figure then you can look at the tow bar specifications for that particular model as all tow bars have to be type approved included in the specifications for the tow bar will be the maximum tow ball weight as recommended by the car manufacturer. it may well be only 46kg [my Meriva is only 50kg] but a look at the tow bar will confirm it!!. this is the figure you must use. if it is lower than the draw bar weight of the trailer.
once you have done the sums and got the figures you will then have achieved 2 things one have a accurate weight for the mtplm. [maximum total permitted load mass] of the van you are allowed to tow with the car and two basically answered your own question.
the only thing left to do then is find a van that is within the weights to have to play with.
but that is a whole new question altogether.
hope this helps.
 
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Welcome to the Forum Caravanozzy.

Looks like our Colin has given you plenty to think about. Please us know your answers.
 
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colin-yorkshire said:
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once you have a figure then you can look at the tow bar specifications for that particular model as all tow bars have to be type approved included in the specifications for the tow bar will be the maximum tow ball weight as recommended by the car manufacturer. it may well be only 46kg [my Meriva is only 50kg] but a look at the tow bar will confirm it!!. this is the figure you must use. if it is lower than the draw bar weight of the trailer.

A look at the tow bar will only give the max the tow bar was manufactured for. It will not confirm the vehicles maximum tow ball loading weight. Generally, the weight plate/sticker/stamp on the tow bar will be higher than the car can be loaded.
 
Apr 3, 2015
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Hi,
Thank you Colin-Yorkshire for your comprehensive answer.
I had looked online, just got very confused. Thanks for your response it was very detailed and has helped me on my way.

The numbers on my VIN plate are;
1737
2687
1000
900
So I think I can tow a van upto 950 mtplm. Also I checked the weight sticker on the tow bar and it says 60kg, but the handbook says max tow ball weight of 46kg.
I'm I on the right track now?
If so can you recommend a caravan.
Thanks in advance
 
Feb 3, 2008
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Caravanozzy said:
Can anyone please help? If I can tow, what can I tow? Ideally I'd like a 4 berth, not sure if this is a possibility?

With an MTPLM of 950 kg you are likely to be seriously limited in your choice. :(
Do you need 4 berth or would 2 do?

There is a sister site to this one, Caravan Finder I believe. Have a browse through and see what fits the bill.
 

Mel

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Have a look at Freedom Caravans. Small and very lightweight.
Mel
 
Apr 3, 2015
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Hi,
Yes I do need a 4 berth woodlandscamper.
There is still one thing I'm confused about though, just dug out the V5 and it states;
Technical permissible maximum towable mass of the trailer, braked 1150.
What does this mean as it is different to 950 and would give me more options.
Thank you
 

Mel

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Your other option is a folding camper like a Penine. Hope you find something.
Mel
 
Apr 3, 2015
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Hi,

There is still one thing I'm confused about though, the V5c states;
Technical permissible maximum towable mass of the trailer, braked 1150kg.
What does this mean as it is different to the 950kg I got from subtracting vin no.1 from vin no.2 and would give me more options.
Any advice or thoughts please
Thank you
 
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It could say more, but you can not exceed the train weight of your car and that figure for your car is 950kg

The numbers on my VIN plate are;

1737 ( this will be the maximum weight that the car can be when fully loaded )

2687 ( this is you maximum allowed train weight ) when you take one from the other you get 950kg

1000 ( this is the maximum allowed weight for your front axle of the car )

when loading your car depending on what items you have in the boot and the density of there weight, it will alter the weight being placed on the axles if you were ever stopped and weighed on a dynamic weigh pad / weigh bridge this is were the weight difference would show up they will add the front and rear weights together and hopefully they will not exceed the maximum allowed weight of your car.

900 ( this is the maximum allowed weight for your rear axle )

The only possible way to tow 1150kg would be if there was only your self in the car as that extra 200kg has got to come out of the cars maximum weight, so that the figures can be juggled so that you don't exceed your train weight.

Hope this makes sense but you are stuck with a max of 950kg these are the figures that your vin plate is displaying when your car is fully loaded, with two adults & two children plus all of the bit's and bobs you will soon get to your maximum loaded car weight.

if you want more the only way is to get a different model of tow car
 
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Caravanozzy said:
Hi,

There is still one thing I'm confused about though, the V5c states;
Technical permissible maximum towable mass of the trailer, braked 1150kg.
What does this mean as it is different to the 950kg I got from subtracting vin no.1 from vin no.2 and would give me more options.
Any advice or thoughts please
Thank you

Hello Caravanozzy.

Confusing isn't it!

I hope you understand Sproket's explanation.

Its sad but your car is on the small size for towing especially when your looking for a 4 berth, which suggests you will be using up virtually all the cars load capacity with passengers and luggage, meaning you will have virtually no scope to look at a caravan MPTLM above 950kG
 
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Hi Caravanozzy and welcome to the Practical Caravan forum!

There is always hope and you've been given some great advice so far. As you're dealing with a lightweight outfit this might not be relevant, but have you got your B+E licence?
 
Apr 3, 2015
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Thanks for all your advice. Decided to go with a Conway folding camper which I'm picking up on Saturday.
The caravan will have to wait until I upgrade my car in the next year or two.

Really appreciate your help
 

Mel

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Glad you got sorted. Keep posting on here though.
Mel
 

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