Hi Monkey, Thanks for the info, the only thing we got with the manual is when you reverse the carvan on the pitch the clutch start to smell burning, but I don't use the rev when I reverse the caravan, mind you that very good 50 to the gallon doing steady 60 mph, what with the price of fuel keep going up all the time, so that why we are looking for something to keep the cost down, we would love to get another 4x4 but again what with the price of fuel, Many Thanks for your help and Happy Caravaning, Trevor