Lane Keep Assistance System- Yes or No?

[Dustydog]

A well known Chinese import of historic sports car marque😉 featured in last months Which?
A number of owners have reported the system without warning pulled the car across the road into oncoming vehicles.

Is this software something a caravanner should have or not?

 

[RogerL]

A well known Chinese import of historic sports car marque😉 featured in last months Which?
A number of owners have reported the system without warning pulled the car across the road into oncoming vehicles.

Is this software something a caravanner should have or not?

How on earth did we manage to drive at all before they invented all this new technology - it started with the imposition of a 70mph National Speed Limit in 1965 !!

 

[Guzzilazz]

How on earth did we manage to drive at all before they invented all this new technology - it started with the imposition of a 70mph National Speed Limit in 1965 !!

The number of road deaths per car on the road in those days was way higher than now. From Hansard, a response to a question mentions deaths in 1964 was 7820. in 2023 it was 1645. And that's absolute numbers and not a deaths per x miles driven or anything

Now say again government "imposition" was a bad thing. Bear in mind on your argument would have no seat belts, crash helmets for motorcyclists, no ABS, crumple zones, air bags etc etc.

 

[Dustydog]

The number of road deaths per car on the road in those days was way higher than now. From Hansard, a response to a question mentions deaths in 1964 was 7820. in 2023 it was 1645. And that's absolute numbers and not a deaths per x miles driven or anything

Now say again government "imposition" was a bad thing. Bear in mind on your argument would have no seat belts, crash helmets for motorcyclists, no ABS, crumple zones, air bags etc etc.

Of course you are correct but they are all passive assisters whereas the Lane System is active.
I suggest Lane Systems are dangerous and perhaps a retrograde step.

 

[otherclive]

Of course you are correct but they are all passive assisters whereas the Lane System is active.
I suggest Lane Systems are dangerous and perhaps a retrograde step.

One car I have to put it on. The other default is ON. Irrespective both are OFF fir travel.

 

[Mel]

Our car just beeps at you in an irritated tone if you rapidly deviate from your lane.
Mel

 

[ProfJohnL]

A well known Chinese import of historic sports car marque😉 featured in last months Which?
A number of owners have reported the system without warning pulled the car across the road into oncoming vehicles.

Is this software something a caravanner should have or not?

I'm not aware a caravan can have lane assist software enabled. Do caravan movers need it?

 

[Beachball]

A well known Chinese import of historic sports car marque😉 featured in last months Which?
A number of owners have reported the system without warning pulled the car across the road into oncoming vehicles.

Is this software something a caravanner should have or not?

Sadly i am not a caravanner but on my car i always switch it off because like what someone it beeps.

 

[izzy]

I have turned it off as I found it a distraction.
I am a firm believer in that the car should go where I want it to go and not where it decides to go. Moreso with the caravan on.
Just a sign of desperation on the part of the gimmick developers I think!
Maybe a step too far at the moment

 

[Bluetonic]

We had a loan car when our Santa Fe went into a dealer for some warranty repairs. We were given a Ssanyong Korando.
Oh my gosh it was truly awful in so many ways, it had all the modern driving annoyances like speed sign awareness which was useless but by far the worst was the lane "assist" first time I tried to filter on to a motorway the steering was fighting me to stop me pulling into lane one, and when I finally got up to speed, fighting again to stop me pulling into lane 2 to overtake a lorry.
Eventually managed to turn it off, but it was a horrible experience.

 

[Buckman]

Of course you are correct but they are all passive assisters whereas the Lane System is active.
I suggest Lane Systems are dangerous and perhaps a retrograde step.

On our previous Jeep it beeped and was more of a nuisance than anything else. Annoyingly if you came up behind i.e. a HGV the car would automatically brake to match the speed of the vehicle in front and kept a safe distance. if you indicated that you wanted to pull out to overtake the vehicle would speed up again.

Like many other drivers, when you want to pull out, you indicate early to give the driver in the offside lane warning that you want to pull out although you will not be pulling out until the lane is clear and safe.

However because you have indicated the vehicle has sped up although you are not quite ready to pull out. This brings you dangerous close to the vehicle immediately in front of you. If you cancel the indicator the vehicle will brake quite hard to avoid a collision.

All these gadgets can make the vehicle unsafe depending on circumstances. Current Jeep does not have these sort of warning gadgets!

 

[otherclive]

On our previous Jeep it beeped and was more of a nuisance than anything else. Annoyingly if you came up behind i.e. a HGV the car would automatically brake to match the speed of the vehicle in front and kept a safe distance. if you indicated that you wanted to pull out to overtake the vehicle would speed up again.

Like many other drivers, when you want to pull out, you indicate early to give the driver in the offside lane warning that you want to pull out although you will not be pulling out until the lane is clear and safe.

However because you have indicated the vehicle has sped up although you are not quite ready to pull out. This brings you dangerous close to the vehicle immediately in front of you. If you cancel the indicator the vehicle will brake quite hard to avoid a collision.

All these gadgets can make the vehicle unsafe depending on circumstances. Current Jeep does not have these sort of warning gadgets!

I couldn’t live with that system, did you have the ability to turn it off?

 

[Buckman]

I couldn’t live with that system, did you have the ability to turn it off?

Yes you could turn it off, but it was an all or nothing system. The forward collision warning was okay and also the lane assist, but when using CC, combined they were a pain. I don't remember if you could only switch off the lane assist.

 

[Guzzilazz]

Of course you are correct but they are all passive assisters whereas the Lane System is active.

I suggest Lane Systems are dangerous and perhaps a retrograde step.

My experience on three cars with lane keep assist is that if you use the thing that makes those funny orange lights flash, LKA is over-ridden... and ABS, anti skid etc IS active...

 

[Hutch]

Surely you would only switch ON, Lane assist, when on a motorway or dual carriageway, on normal Country roads, it would not always have "something " to track onto.

 

[otherclive]

Surely you would only switch ON, Lane assist, when on a motorway or dual carriageway, on normal Country roads, it would not always have "something " to track onto.

Problem I found on country roads is on left hand curves I move out a bit and where there was a white line it wanted to pull me back. Same on right handers if there was a line marking the nearside verge. Biking habits never leave you. But I don’t have lane assist on even on motorways.

 

[Dustydog]

Surely you would only switch ON, Lane assist, when on a motorway or dual carriageway, on normal Country roads, it would not always have "something " to track onto.

Different makes are using different software. Seems the MG needs updating, which is in hand. The system is supposed to use the road sides , width of road etc. I don’t think it is totally dependent on white lines. I’m sure an expert on the system could explain.

 

[Devonisheaven]

Problem I found on country roads is on left hand curves I move out a bit and where there was a white line it wanted to pull me back. Same on right handers if there was a line marking the nearside verge. Biking habits never leave you. But I don’t have lane assist on even on motorways.

Clive, why do you “move out a bit” on country roads? It happens a lot here in rural Devon, until there is a tractor with a loader, or a couple of horses coming the other way, you should keep in tight on country roads, not move out a bit.

Any country road with white lines where I live, is called a “ motorway” 👍😂

 

[RogerL]

Clive, why do you “move out a bit” on country roads? It happens a lot here in rural Devon, until there is a tractor with a loader, or a couple of horses coming the other way, you should keep in tight on country roads, not move out a bit.

Any country road with white lines where I live, is called a “ motorway” 👍

Advanced driving, as copied from the police Roadcraft manual, requires you to move from the centre of your lane to the outer radius of your lane on any curve to improve the visibility around the curve - that way you can see oncoming vehicles, animals or pedestrians earlier.

 

[Devonisheaven]

Advanced driving, as copied from the police Roadcraft manual, requires you to move from the centre of your lane to the outer radius of your lane on any curve to improve the visibility around the curve - that way you can see oncoming vehicles, animals or pedestrians earlier.

Ahh, this really depends on what you call a lane or country road. If you move out to the centre of the lanes on a bend where I live, you WILL have an accident, simple.

I have seen many cars proudly displaying a badge telling everyone they are an advanced driver, until they get to narrow country lanes………..Oh my goodness! You want to see what I see everyday during “silly season” 🙄🤷

 

[Hutch]

Motorcyclists that have any road training will move to the extreme outer of the bend and then move back to the center of the road.
This gives the maximum range of vision round a bend.
It works for cars as well.

 

[otherclive]

Clive, why do you “move out a bit” on country roads? It happens a lot here in rural Devon, until there is a tractor with a loader, or a couple of horses coming the other way, you should keep in tight on country roads, not move out a bit.

Any country road with white lines where I live, is called a “ motorway” 👍😂

When I did two driving course with Wiltshire police that was the advice. Having lived in Devon and Cumtria I’m well versed on country druving and tend to be quite aware that around the bend may be cyclist,, horse rider, broken down vehicle as well as Farmer Giles. Just because the limit may be 60 mph there’s no reason to drive to it when I don’t think it appropriate.

 

[Buckman]

I certainly would not want any device that takes over the steering of our car. I prefer to be "in charge" as much as possible. I did my advanced driving training on police pursuit vehicles many years ago and old habits die hard.

 

[RogerL]

When I did two driving course with Wiltshire police that was the advice. Having lived in Devon and Cumtria I’m well versed on country druving and tend to be quite aware that around the bend may be cyclist,, horse rider, broken down vehicle as well as Farmer Giles. Just because the limit may be 60 mph there’s no reason to drive to it when I don’t think it appropriate.

That's why such training also includes the requirement to be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear - which generally means slowing down to match your braking distance to the clear space visible.

 

[Buckman]

That's why such training also includes the requirement to be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear - which generally means slowing down to match your braking distance to the clear space visible.

A bit difficult when travelling at 100mph. LOL!