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As posted the electric heating intermittent over the weekendgas OK fan OK no elements at all.Have got worktop off and pushed all connections am thinking thermostat jackplug might have worked loose.All seems OK now but any suggestions on things to check before I put worktop back.Have also got some masterboard to stop some of the heat coming through to drawer,removed and cleaned fan and taped up ducting as it looks like part of the ducting has not been fully inserted into the y piece.
Any suggestions welcomed.
 
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You havent switched off the heating spur by mistake have you? If not sounds like the control pcb? i have one fail a few years ago, expensive to buy though!!
 
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Hi Micheal,
Thanks for your advice,I am sure spur was on ,indicator light was on against each rating.Have unplugged the thermistor and it all seems to work OK so am thinking of new thermostat and thermister.Have blocked in under drawer and it seems good so far
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Last year my Truma fire appeared to be working correctly - for about 20 minutes. Then it would go off and not come on again till the mains switch was off then on again. I found it was one of the little devices in the bottom of the fire. One is the temperature limiter and the other a temperature control device. They both look identical. They are cheap enough to just replace both. Around a fiver each. What I needed were numbers 21 and 22 on this diagram.
http://www.leisureshopdirect.com/caravan/gas/Truma_fires.aspx?pdf=4771&pdf_page_id=83&dpn_id=-1&sch=1
 
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Thats very useful and well worth trying.As we are going to the carnivals in november I'd like to do everything I can to sort it
Many thanks
 
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You have to make 100% sure the remote thermostat is fully plugged in, easy way is to unplug it and use the original stat, if heating comes on then it was because is was not fully plugged in leaving both in circuit.
General reason though is control board failure, ie, the relays have burnt out, and or the two limit stats John speaks about.

As for the heat build up behind the fire, with due respect, would it not be a better idea to insulate the ducting behind the fire so heat does not build up in the first place?
I'd suggest you use a roll of 'spirawrap' from screwfix or the like as a more effective overall solution.
 
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Hi Gary ,thanks for the advice and I am thinking the plug had loosened as it seems fine with it unplugged.I can hear the relays clicking and have left the heating on for four hours without it cutting out.Will try it again today before I put it into storage.I had insulated the ducting with spirowrap everywhere I could reach but think the convected heat from the body of the fire was heating the drawers.The panel is above the vent so there is an escape point for excess heat.
Thanks again esp.Sir Roger lol
 
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In the California it was shelf rather than a drawer over the fire so I removed the shelf and fitted a vent and had the benefit of the heat in the caravan
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That looks a smart adaption John very nice.Have ordered the two sensors anyway even though it seems alright,bound to go wrong when we're away.
 
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How odd, I had a mobile fitter round tonight with complete Ultraheat in hand, nipped to the workshop, removed cover and found exactly what your picture shows!
I will add, it's my firm opinion that it is out of balance wheels at the root of this common problem, the vibration first loosening the male spade connections rivet and resultant high resistance and therefore heat produced finishing it off.
 
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gary said:
I will add, it's my firm opinion that it is out of balance wheels at the root of this common problem, the vibration first loosening the male spade connections rivet and resultant high resistance and therefore heat produced finishing it off.

Hello Gary,

I am certain that unbalanced wheels will not help, but another factor is the state of our roads. Its the shock loading of a wheel hitting a pothole that produces very large acceleration forces which are probably more destructive than out of balance wheels.

The caravan's tyres and suspension absorb most of the vertical shock loading from the road surface, converting it into lower frequency less violent components.

Having seen the results of towing tests carried out at MIRA over Belgian Pave by a major appliance manufacture, the surprise result was the the most destructive vibrations were not directly from the wheels going up and down, but the forces induced fore and aft through the coupling.

When a wheel climbs or descends an obstruction, it momentarily retards or accelerates the motion of the caravan. This 'tugs and pushes' at the caravan hitch

Although the hitch contains a damper, they essentially only absorb low frequency motion, they are virtually a solid block to HF energy. They work with wheels because the tyre handles the HF component. Consequently the HF low amplitude but high acceleration energy is transmitted back to the caravan chassis virtually unattenuated. By comparison, the longitudinal shocks were more destructive probably by a factor of 10.
 
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Hi John, these are
probably very similar test results Swift arrived at during similar testing at
Millbrook, the problem I have is they don't show the results in practice I see
every day?!

The problem as I see it, is a combination, two
or four wheels with various out of balance forces, speed chosen, nature of
journey etc, plus and not least, maximum load tyre pressures regardless of
actual load and perhaps plus a bit more for good luck! Twists and turns in the
road will also alter the frequency as wheels move in and out of relation too
each other, all combining to vary frequency produced

All these variables then and over time, are
combining to produce vibration at a particular frequency that can and does
harmonise with something in the van, be that a part of the gas fire, certain
electronic parts of a battery charger also common, screws in offside walls and
or near side wheel nuts are both common and it's certainly a common effect
affecting these two!

So road surface?, I don't wear this, simply
the problem would be far more relevant and not only in caravans if this was the
root cause, No, I don't see roads as more than acerbating the issue. You don't
get any worse than the Lincolnshire
tracks I drag my van over without any issues!!

Moreover, in my line of
work I get into discussion with many customers/dealers both large and small,
one particular dealer selling a very well known motorhome brand, sends his
stock straight to the local tyre place, even before arriving at the sales
pitch! Told me the stupid little warranty
faults have been massively reduced since this practice was adopted, there’s a
caravan dealer in Norfolk
does and says exactly the same thing…so where’s the common denominator in that?
now’t to do with road surfaces, that’s for sure!

So back to this question, Truma themselves
have blamed a poor high resistance connection to the stats spade, it's not
though because they have always been tight when I try and pull them off, so it's
obvious to me the start of it is elsewhere. The stat itself is not best
quality, I'll grant you, but in theory given the job their designed to do at
125 or 175degsC, should never be called into use, just sitting there dormant
'just in case'

So they arrive working perfectly, are not worn
out by over use, connections are still tight after the rest has fell apart, or
more common, developing minds of their own and tripping where no heat is
present let alone 125/175C?! On top of
that, some appear to self destruct but far more happily work as designed
without any issues!

But finally, why would a manufacture except
'test results' as being conclusive while not taking very basic precautions to
eliminate the unknown? It's a fundamental engineering principle to balance anything
that spins, nothing is going to change that, so why ignore it in favour of a
couple of short duration but favourable test results?.

To me, there is no logic in that at all, just
balance the damn things and be done!!
 

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