Practical Caravan's Star Letter January 2011

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I was really heartened to read Alan Woodward's letter and to know that someone so deserving won the £40 prize. I fail to see what Alan finds odd about using a mover, presumably he does not have such a useful aid fitted to his caravan, If he did he would realise that for some people it can make the difference between touring or selling the caravan. I might have had more regard for his views if he had moved out of his caravan to help those who were 'pushing their hearts out'. Alan's perception of the 'finer points of towing' clearly did not go as far as making sure that he could receive TV at the CC Costwold site. Surely someone so perfect and observant would have studiied the CC sites handbook annd realised that 4 of the 5 sites have poor TV reception. Get a life, or better still get a sat diish and let others get on with their lives would be my view.
 
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Heh! heh! heh!
That's tellin' ya Alan. Put that in your pipe and smoke it
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Many people use a mover becuse they have physically limitations or have a disability that prevents them doing it physically. I have not read the letter so wouls I be right in assuming that the letter knocks people with motor movers. If so, then I am very surprised that PC have made it a Star letter and it would definitley put me off buying any future magazines. If not, can the contents please be explained more clearly.
 

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otherclive said:
I was really heartened to read Alan Woodward's letter and to know that someone so deserving won the £40 prize. I fail to see what Alan finds odd about using a mover, presumably he does not have such a useful aid fitted to his caravan, If he did he would realise that for some people it can make the difference between touring or selling the caravan. I might have had more regard for his views if he had moved out of his caravan to help those who were 'pushing their hearts out'. Alan's perception of the 'finer points of towing' clearly did not go as far as making sure that he could receive TV at the CC Costwold site. Surely someone so perfect and observant would have studiied the CC sites handbook annd realised that 4 of the 5 sites have poor TV reception. Get a life, or better still get a sat diish and let others get on with their lives would be my view.

I'm not going to attempt to defend CC member Mr Woodwards comments because personally speaking my take on the points raised merely confirms exactly what many of us have long suspected about the Caravan Club, or to be more accurate, the general attitude of some of it's members.
They appear to outsiders like me to derive great pleasure in watching and gloating over the mistakes of others instead of trying to help in any way that they can. A browse through any caravan forum would easily highlight this hyper critical attitude which is thankfully almost conspicuous by it's absence in comments by C&CC members. (I'm off to hide behing the setee now)
The writers main point appeared to me to be about dangerous practices by 10% of drivers using the site who were seen by him to ignore 'prominent No Entry signs'.
Mr Woodward went on to criticise the driver of a Volvo who decided to drive across 'a 30 metre section of sodden grass after 24 hours of rainfall '. Apparently the Volvo which was towing a caravan became bogged down and after unhitching the caravan the attempts to move the caravan using the motor mover were unsuccessful. According to Mr Woodward the situation was resolved after the intervention of another driver from 'the trusty 4x4 brigade'
Only at the end did Mr Woodward have much to say about motor movers but it's unclear (to me at least) exactly what point he was trying to make with his closing comments. I'll quote the final paragraphs to see what others make of Mr Woodwards comments.
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'During our two-day stay, five fellow caravanners pulled up, unhitched and either pushed their hearts out manoeuvering their vans onto pitches, or else used their motor movers to do so.
It's a fact that the caravanner is the butt of many a fellow motorists misgivings. Let's be glad that they don't need to drive through touring sites and watch how some of us perform when called upon to display our ability when it comes to the finer points of towing.'
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As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't argue about Mr Woodwards criticism of those who ignore 'No Entry' signs and the Volvo driver ploughing up the site ought to have known better.
I don't quite know what to make of the comments regarding those trying to move their caravans onto the pitches. In an ideal world every single motorist on the road would have passed a HGV 1 driving test (not sure what they call it these days) and they would display a very high level of competency and courtesy both on site and when using the roads.
We all know that this is never going to happen, there are always going to be some caravanners who have problems reversing onto pitches.
Surely they displayed good sense by recognising their limitations regarding that aspect of touring and unhitched and pushed (unless they were lucky enough to have motor movers fitted) rather than plough up pitches by trying (and failing) to reverse onto wet pitches with the attendant wheelspin and smoking clutches? I'd have helped them to push but of course I belong to 'The Friendly Club'!
 
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reading between the lines he is having a dig at those who seemingly do not have his towing skills. He probasbly thinks it funny to watch someone strugge when he only has to rely on his vastly superiour towing skills.

I doubt Mr Woodward has many friends and certainly very few on a CC site, whom i can ssure you are very helpful. I for instance will always offer to help. I often stand and shout "left a bit" " nah mate , left hand down"..... great sport it is. You see i do have a mover but being a CC member and having a 4x4 means that i am superior in all aspects of towing. I am so good i never use my mover.... well there was that time , amnd er yes there was that visit to napps, and er ... oh yes id rather not mention that one..
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I also think its fairly safe to say that at some time we have all watched the strange and often funny goings on and someone pitches up. I particularly enjoy the "awning divorce" that most first timers go through. Last year i sold our van 4 times and got divorced at least 6.
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Yes, it's Machismo Malcolms take on reversing. He all but says that those who have to either push their van or use their mover to get on to a pitch shouldn't be towing. Sadly we have all come across Malcolms in our lives but happily they are by far the minority. They also have such little commonsense that they are unable to see the overall picture because of their tunnel vision. The tunnel vision is probably caused by him watching others through binoculars.
If he did indeed win the £40 Star Letter beggars belief. All it will do is make his head grow larger. What the money will not do is make him believe that he is right and everyone else is wrong because he will already have that tattooed on his psyche
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Further to my earlier post, I wonder if he took into account those of us with physical limitations who cannot push a caravan onto a pitch. Sometimes I will go back and forth a bit when reversing as I am trying to avoid churning up the grass on the other side of the road as the road is just not wide enough to execute a clean turn to put the caravan onto the pitch. the other letters sent to the editor must have been real rubbish if his was the star letter. Either that or the editor needs to go to specsavers!
 
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Having not read the artical that has caused great merit, I always use my mover to reverse onto pitches, my trusty vectra now has 100658 miles under her belt, clutch as good as new thanks to the mover, to replace a mover is far cheaper than new clutch plates.
 
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My, these comments are up lifting. I am indeed a member of the C&C although as a member of only 5 years or 6, i have used there sites on average twice a year,and have always found the users mostly charming and chatty.My wife says I make friends really easily, on these sites that is, and they seem drawn to me! must be my friendly disposition which i am sure you are all familiar with
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Haven't read the article in question, and no doubt like so many other clubs of differing pastimes you get all sorts, i don't have a caravan mover, but it should be bleeding obvious that they are a handy bit of kit, regardless of ones ability to reverse or whatever.
Maybe this same chap does not have a remote control for his in house handy gadgets, TV, sat,hi fi ect. and still uses a push lawn mower!
 
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JonnyG said:
My wife says I make friends really easily, on these sites that is, and they seem drawn to me! must be my friendly disposition which i am sure you are all familiar with
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I had noticed. It hasn't been so for that long though so pray tell, was it a new years resolution???
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If so I can't wait until the next one
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Parksy, I am a Caravan Club member, and if I didn't already know what a damn fine fellow you really are, I could take offence at your sweeping generalisation in your first paragraph.Some of us, like myself, are thoroughly pleasant, intelligent and helpful people. In fact, modesty is one of my better qualities.

(I would put a "tongue in cheek" emoticon there, but there isn't one!)
 
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emmerson said:
Parksy, I am a Caravan Club member, and if I didn't already know what a damn fine fellow you really are, I could take offence at your sweeping generalisation in your first paragraph.

You'll have to shout louder. He's behind the settee.
 

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emmerson said:
Parksy, I am a Caravan Club member, and if I didn't already know what a damn fine fellow you really are, I could take offence at your sweeping generalisation in your first paragraph.Some of us, like myself, are thoroughly pleasant, intelligent and helpful people. In fact, modesty is one of my better qualities.

(I would put a "tongue in cheek" emoticon there, but there isn't one!)

Apologies Emmerson, I meant no offence. I wrote about the attitude of some CC members, not all of them. I've never made any secret of the fact that I choose not to be a CC member and I wrote that the points that I had made were from the point of view of an outsider. They were made in order to stimulate friendly forum debate.
I'm sure that the majority of CC members are like yourself, fine upstanding types with a keen community spirit who are very slow to complain but what has always put me off joining the CC has been the thought that amongst the pleasant and likeable people who are CC members there is a vocal minority who seem to take great pleasure from the misfortune of others and these few never stop complaining about one thing or another. Posts on forums (of which I read quite a lot) appear to bear this out, it's rare for C&CC members to complain much on forums and there is a distinct lack of curtain twitchers on C&CC sites.
this could mean that:
a) C&CC members have nothing to complain about
b) CC members are more articulate
c) The C&CC lives up to it's slogan of 'The Friendly Club'
It's often written that CC sites are superior to C&CC sites but C&CC members dont travel to sites in order to sit around on them being miserable and gloating on about fellow caravanners.
The star letter seems to indicate that at least some CC members do exactly that.
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Still, it takes all sorts in the wide world of caravanning- we don't do this to enjoy ourselves you know!
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Nigel Donnelly said:
It is ridiculous! Anyone would think Practical Caravan prints letters that get up people's noses on purpose
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Ahem. I have no comment to make on that, Nigel
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But what I will ask is why you're flooding the forum with your Towcar survey, yet none of the magazine, technical or admin staff are answering our repeated requests for a PM facility?!
 

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Nigel Donnelly said:
It is ridiculous! Anyone would think Practical Caravan prints letters that get up people's noses on purpose
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It provided a talking point, that's for sure. Imagine if Practical Caravan magazine paid £40 a time for posts containing moans on the forum
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Haymarket would go bust within the month
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Parksy - Moderator said:
Imagine if Practical Caravan magazine paid £40 a time for posts containing moans on the forum
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Haymarket would go bust within the month
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Nigel is quite welcome to print my reply above regarding Macho Malcolm if he makes it the Star Letter
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a) C&CC members have nothing to complain about

it could also mean that the c &CC lot are so old they dont know how to complain on Forums and regard computers as a nasty little illness and they "will be having any of that thank you"

just my opinion of course, being a mardy ole curtain twitching cc member.

A lttle story here .
In August we went to a CL at Gt Longstone in derbyshire as its close to home. Its a lovely little CL- wekll it was until my kids arrived-.

Any way , the elderly couple reading there books in the sunshine , promptly put them down, and shouted over to me... "its about time we had some entertainment, go on get reversing and setting up".

It was not serious but a just a bit of pleasant banter. It broke the ice we enjoyed annoying them with our kids.
 

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