cris, just to give an example, the thread about 4x4s that was under General ran for 9 months, from March 2005 until Dec. 2005 with 108 posts and thats not counting the ones deleted by His Moddyship. It lay dormant for 2 months until resurrected by Janice (although it was an innocent question) and the arguing started all over again. People are truly p***ed off of looking in Our Website, General, Chit Chat etc. and finding arguments on the same topic of 4x4s. No matter how people try to discuss the subject there are always some waiting in the wings to stir things up just as theres always people who take the bait and respond.