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Tips for towing using a commercial van please.

Now that our Hyundai Tucson has been traded for a 2024 Kia Sportage petrol hybrid which is not suitable for towing our Coachman 560 we decided upon using our plain black 2013 Renault Trafic SL27 short wheel base instead.
Seeing that I have not towed using a van before I was wondering if those who have could give me a few pointers please. Many thanks. ST.
 
Check the weight plate to see if it has enough capacity to tow. I have seen a few Ford Transit SWB that have a towing capacity of 1000kg no good to man or beast.
 
Some makes of caravan exclude towing by commercial vehicles from warranty cover. How they might know is a question, but I guess if you arrived at the dealership towing with a van ………

Some sites exclude commercial vans so you’d need to check before hand. Does you recovery cover a commercial vans so you’d towing a caravan?
 
Check the weight plate to see if it has enough capacity to tow. I have seen a few Ford Transit SWB that have a towing capacity of 1000kg no good to man or beast.
Well it is said to be capable of towing 2000kg braked. This isn't an ideal choice for us but we've noticed more commercial vans being allowed on CAMC and C&C sites now even those that are sign written.
Thanks for replying Gumpy.
 
Some makes of caravan exclude towing by commercial vehicles from warranty cover. How they might know is a question, but I guess if you arrived at the dealership towing with a van ………

Some sites exclude commercial vans so you’d need to check before hand. Does you recovery cover a commercial vans so you’d towing a caravan?
We're with Green Flag and to be honest I do not know if they'll recover us with caravan on tow, yeah I'll have to ring and check. Cheers OC.
 
We tow with a SWB Ford Transit Custom & before that with a Vauxhall Vivaro. We use a van as we compete at dog agility & at one time had 5 border collies.

Our Transit was a maximum towing limit of 2,400kg. Our caravan MTPLM is 1,600kg. Only towing issue we have had is ensuring that we have enough nose weight, as the van's rear suspension is quite firm & without the nose weight it can be a bit twitchy.

Never been turned away from any site. We always let them know when booking that we tow with a van & it's never been a problem.

Our breakdown cover is through the C&CC. The RAC which provide the service say that the van's not a problem. We've had the van recovered without the caravan before. Never had to use the recovery service with the caravan.
 
Well it is said to be capable of towing 2000kg braked. This isn't an ideal choice for us but we've noticed more commercial vans being allowed on CAMC and C&C sites now even those that are sign written.
Thanks for replying Gumpy.
Why isn't it a ideal choice?
 
One of the reasons given for not towing with a commercial van is the stiffness of the vans suspension which can pass more high acceleration vibrations through the hitch back into the caravan. A business I was employed by undertook some testing of caravans, and one of the tests was to record the vibrations of a real car and caravan being driven over the test tracks at MIRA at Nuneaton. These could then be played back to push various caravan appliances through an accelerated wear and tear test on a orthogonal test bed.

The results were quite alarming with peak accelerations across normal roads types in the region of 5 to 6g

These would be higher if the caravan had been towed by a commercial van.
 
According to AI
The 2013 Renault Trafic SL27 short wheel base (SWB) has an empty kerb weight of roughly 1,710 to 1,745 kg. It features a Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) of 2,790 kg, giving the van a maximum payload capacity of approximately 1,045 to 1,075 kg depending on the exact trim level.
Imo this gives you an idea of how stiff the suspension will be when unladen.Your choice.
 
Why isn't it a ideal choice?
Mainly comfort and it means Amber our German Shepherd will have to travel in the back(not crew van).
I've removed the steel bulkhead to allow light and fresh air to reach her. Also I hope no one tries to break into it when we are off on trips thinking tools in the back, hopefully not as its plain.
 
According to AI
The 2013 Renault Trafic SL27 short wheel base (SWB) has an empty kerb weight of roughly 1,710 to 1,745 kg. It features a Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) of 2,790 kg, giving the van a maximum payload capacity of approximately 1,045 to 1,075 kg depending on the exact trim level.
Imo this gives you an idea of how stiff the suspension will be when unladen.Your choice.
Yes these vans are meant to carry around a ton payload.
Apart from a 30kg dog and a spare 6kg gas bottle it'll be pretty much unladen. The caravan comes in at around 1500kg as there is just the two of us(humans).
 
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One of the reasons given for not towing with a commercial van is the stiffness of the vans suspension which can pass more high acceleration vibrations through the hitch back into the caravan. A business I was employed by undertook some testing of caravans, and one of the tests was to record the vibrations of a real car and caravan being driven over the test tracks at MIRA at Nuneaton. These could then be played back to push various caravan appliances through an accelerated wear and tear test on a orthogonal test bed.

The results were quite alarming with peak accelerations across normal roads types in the region of 5 to 6g

These would be higher if the caravan had been towed by a commercial van.
I always crawl over speed bumps and level crossings. I'm going to remove one 6kg gas bottle plus other bits to lighten the nose weight. I just hope I don't have issues with the ATC because we didn't have a 13pin connection before now. If its a problem I can pull the permanent 12v fuse. Not ideal but needs must.
 
The caravans nose load should not be the problem, regardless of the nose load, the vibrations from a commercial van suspension will still be transmitted to the caravan.

However any reduction of the nose load might negatively affect the towing characteristics of the caravan.

Have you considered changing your tow vehicle. There are certainly some manufacturers who still produce MPVs which offer almost van sized proportions, with car like comfort.
 
The caravans nose load should not be the problem, regardless of the nose load, the vibrations from a commercial van suspension will still be transmitted to the caravan.

However any reduction of the nose load might negatively affect the towing characteristics of the caravan.

Have you considered changing your tow vehicle. There are certainly some manufacturers who still produce MPVs which offer almost van sized proportions, with car like comfort.
Well using our commercial van to tow is a short time measure for atleast three years. Thing is I was once put off the idea of towing with DCT by a car saleman plus I am unsure about 1.6 petrol turbo engines and their ability to tow 1600kg in challenging conditions.
We don't regret choosing a petrol again for normal usage because the car is mostly always in EV mode.
 
Well using our commercial van to tow is a short time measure for atleast three years. Thing is I was once put off the idea of towing with DCT by a car saleman plus I am unsure about 1.6 petrol turbo engines and their ability to tow 1600kg in challenging conditions.
We don't regret choosing a petrol again for normal usage because the car is mostly always in EV mode.
There’s DCT and there’s DCT. I had a Skoda Superb 2litre AWD with DSG. Towed really well and gear changes imperceptible. Whereas a Kia XCeed 1.5 petrol turbo with DCT wasn’t used for towing. But solo the DCT was excellent under normal driving but a nightmare for very slow speed manoeuvres such as parking, plus it would not drop down properly as you approached a roundabout or junction, and perhaps wanted to move away almost immediately. It tended to need time to sort its gears out. Present hybrid is very smooth and controll at slow speeds as you would expect of electric traction.
 
Well using our commercial van to tow is a short time measure for atleast three years. Thing is I was once put off the idea of towing with DCT by a car saleman plus I am unsure about 1.6 petrol turbo engines and their ability to tow 1600kg in challenging conditions.
We don't regret choosing a petrol again for normal usage because the car is mostly always in EV mode.
I echo what otherclive has commented above. There is wide variation in the way different makes of dual clutch transmissions work. I have only experienced VAG versions, and I am pretty certain all manufacturers will have worked to improve their models over time.
In my case both were fitted to Passat estates. The first was a 175 Hp diesel, it was always a little slow to engage from stand still, a characteristic you learned to cope with. But it was otherwise always smooth. It is important to ensure the transmission, fluids were changed on time with the correct grades.

The second was a 2017 model GTE
  • Petrol Engine: A 1.4-litre TSI engine (154bhp) and (250Nm of torque.
  • Electric Motor: An 83kW electric motor that produces 114 bhp and 330\text of torque.

  • This combination is silky smooth without transmission delays principally because the car invariably moves off under electric power meaning the transmission can be pre selected whilst stationary.
The other concern with modern engines was the dual mass flywheels. But to what I can only assume has not materialised in practice means the issue has not been anywhere as bad as it was predicted to be..

As time has gone by modern smaller turbo petrol engines have proven to be surprisingly reliable and durable. There turbo's allow the smaller engines to produce very usable torque at lower RPM.
 
I have recently heard that HMRC are changing the way they consider the tax burden on commercial vehicles will be considered on benefit in kind. Some commentators are suggesting that vans converted to campers may be treated less favourably than previously. I suggest you check your tax liability as apparently some types of van may be taxed quite differently.
 
I echo what otherclive has commented above. There is wide variation in the way different makes of dual clutch transmissions work. I have only experienced VAG versions, and I am pretty certain all manufacturers will have worked to improve their models over time.
In my case both were fitted to Passat estates. The first was a 175 Hp diesel, it was always a little slow to engage from stand still, a characteristic you learned to cope with. But it was otherwise always smooth. It is important to ensure the transmission, fluids were changed on time with the correct grades.

The second was a 2017 model GTE
  • Petrol Engine: A 1.4-litre TSI engine (154bhp) and (250Nm of torque.
  • Electric Motor: An 83kW electric motor that produces 114 bhp and 330\text of torque.

  • This combination is silky smooth without transmission delays principally because the car invariably moves off under electric power meaning the transmission can be pre selected whilst stationary.
The other concern with modern engines was the dual mass flywheels. But to what I can only assume has not materialised in practice means the issue has not been anywhere as bad as it was predicted to be..

As time has gone by modern smaller turbo petrol engines have proven to be surprisingly reliable and durable. There turbo's allow the smaller engines to produce very usable torque at lower RPM.
Here is a new BYD Ti7 a 1.5 litre turbo PHEV with 79 miles battery range and 0-62 mph at 4.8 seconds and expected to be priced under £50000. No details of its U.K. towing performance has been released but global models are around 2500kg dependent on market.

There’s a lady near us who works in a fleet leasing business and told me that BYD are the most requested lease cars, but demand is higher than supply.

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