To Generate or not to Generate?

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Dear all.
Recently I have been considering the issue of power generation for off grid / wild camping trips. (none of which have we tried yet). I have two significant concerns here:
1) What is the attitude to DIY power generation within the community? How would you feel if your neighbor started a generator for an hour each day to top up his battery? Seems the american's take this in their stride..........!
2)The noise issue is a significant one yes, I completely recognize this, does anyone have a recommendation for a sound proofing box or a self built design that has actually worked well ? By well I mean, no complaints.
I have looked at all the youtube vids on this, it's all possible, but what's the status of this issue for UK tourers in general please?
 
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Ironduke2018 said:
Dear all.
Recently I have been considering the issue of power generation for off grid / wild camping trips. (none of which have we tried yet). I have two significant concerns here:
1) What is the attitude to DIY power generation within the community? How would you feel if your neighbor started a generator for an hour each day to top up his battery? Seems the american's take this in there stride..........!
2)The noise issue is a significant one yes, I completely recognize this, does anyone have a recommendation for a sound proofing box or a self built design that has actually worked well ? By well I mean, no complaints.
I have looked at all the youtube vids on this, it's all possible, but what's the status of this issue for UK tourers in general please?

Helo ID,
There have been may previous threads on this forum about IC generators and touring caravans.

Some sites have an outright ban on them, some have only certian hours. But my question is why go for a generator for a touring caravan when there are some excelent credible and over the life time cheaper alternatives.

Using pwer economically is the first trick, making sure you only turn on the items you need, and making sure you turn them off again afterwards. Avoid powerhungry devices like TV's computers, and lights. Whilst they may not have a big current demmand, they are often used for extended periods which all ads up. Often the things that use lots of current are only used for short periods of time (e.g. water pump and caravan movers) despite their power needs they often dont have a big impact on the battery capacity.

Swapping the caravan battery, carry a spare in the car which is charged when your out and about , and swap it with the one in the caravan. When in the car it must be securely housed and vented. Some sites have battery charging facilities.

Solar panels. Previous enquiries and replies suggest that a roof mounted solar panel of between 50 to100W is usually enough to replenish normal battery usage. Its always there, no noise, and it can even work when the caravan is in storage. Should always be used with a charge controller to maximise efficency, and prevent auto discharge and overcharging.

Downsides of generators,
Purchase cost, (you should not consider 2 stroke units or those without an inverter pure sine wave outout.) Dreadful efficency (typically less than 10% fuel to usable power) expensive fuel ( from forecourts which include motive power fuel duty!) requires regular services, and noise - even the so called silenced units do produce a continual annoying noise. Weight, and storage spce.

Items like the refrigerator, waterheaters and space heaters usually have gas powered options, which must be by law at least 70% efficeint, so loss of mains power is not usually a problem.

In 99% of situations you can get by perfectly well without mains or generator power.
 
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I really like the idea of a second battery charging in the car. I looked at this and it seems a straight forward way of keeping every thing peaceable and straight. Do you have any information on specialist installers for this please?
 
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I really like the idea of a second battery charging in the car. I looked at this and it seems a straight forward way of keeping every thing peaceable and straight. Do you have any information on specialist installers for this please?

Sorry but I dont know of any installers, but there have been several DIY solutions. But I suggest if you were considering a generator, the for the cost of a decent 4 strokem inverter output generator, you could get a solar panel and charge controller, simple quiete and even less hassle than having to change the caravan battery over.
 
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I cannot understand why any one would want to run noisy generator on site. Even the Honda ones can be intrusive. Why not get up to date and use solar power? Many CL/CS that dont have EHU will have barely charging facilities. So if you have a spare battery rather than carting it around in the car just hot it up to the site charging area.
 
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Each to their own views and all that.

Someone running a generator for a short time (say an hour) within the times allowed by the site wouldn't bother me, and who knows - the user may be charging up a device that is used for medicalmobilityetc. purposes.

Seasonal caravans, again, I am not bothered as they do not impact on my enjoyment.
 

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Ironduke2018 said:
Dear all.
Recently I have been considering the issue of power generation for off grid / wild camping trips. (none of which have we tried yet). I have two significant concerns here:
1) What is the attitude to DIY power generation within the community? How would you feel if your neighbor started a generator for an hour each day to top up his battery? Seems the american's take this in their stride..........!
2)The noise issue is a significant one yes, I completely recognize this, does anyone have a recommendation for a sound proofing box or a self built design that has actually worked well ? By well I mean, no complaints.
I have looked at all the youtube vids on this, it's all possible, but what's the status of this issue for UK tourers in general please?
The issues surrounding the use of petrol generators on touring sites can be contentious, with most caravanners being very anti-generator.
This is not altogether surprising, if you're on a caravan site anyway why not pay a bit extra to use the electric hook up if there is one supplied on site?
The original post mentioned 'off grid / wild camping' however, and this raises a fresh set of issues.
Would the wild off grid camping be a solitary enterprise, well away from other caravanners, tenters, motorhomers, cyclists, hikers and others who enjoy the peace and quiet of our lovely countryside?
If the answer to all of the above is 'yes', and you have the permission of the landowner to camp there and to use your generator then you don't have a problem.
Caravan rallies with one of the large club district associations can be a great and relatively inexpensive way to spend time off grid with fellow like minded campers, often enjoying locations where it's not usual for caravans to be pitched.
Generator usage on caravan rallies was not uncommon until a few years ago, but regular rally goers have now switched to the aforementioned solar power with low power usage led lighting and gas for kettles, fridges etc; to maintain a battery charge for a long weekend or even longer.
Some rally goers still use their generator on rallies, often for medical reasons to power nebulisers, electric wheelchairs et al.
The usage is entirely at the discretion of the rally marshall, often by prior arrangement, the hours of usage are restricted and the generator users are normally sited well away from other rally goers to minimise noise and potential nuisance.
I have an 80watt roof mounted solar panel which does a decent job of maintaining the battery state in the warmer months, I'm considering upgrading to an 150 watt panel to use my 80 watt panel on the roof of my garden shed to occasionally power 12v led lighting via a spare leisure battery which is on an electric charger in the shed anyway.

Shock Confession Time!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :evil: :evil: :evil:
I actually own a Honda pure sine wave 4 stroke 'quiet' generator, and I use it at a music festival that we go to every year to charge mine, and usually neighbouring caravanners batteries over the course of a long sometimes cloudy wet Bank Holiday weekend.
I wouldn't dream of carting it to normal sites with ehu, or to rallies for just a couple of days.
Our music festival has large commercial mobile generators all around the festival site and camping area which run all of the time to power the stage equipment, stage lighting, site lighting and many other things for a multitude of food outlets, stall holders and pop-up bars.
The commercial generator noise fades into the background as we all become used to it, so an hour here and there in the morning after breakfast with mine when everybody else is up and about is insignificant.
My little 'quiet' genny lives inside a little canvas tent housing which deadens any noise even further, and it can't be heard from outside my festival friends motorhome which pitches next to us every year. Often if the sun is shining my generator isn't needed, although I've come to the rescue of quite a few festival newbies who hadn't realised that they would do well to economise on 12v usage when they come for the first time and they would have ended up in the dark with no water pump and their fridge / freezer off because the gas is ignited from their leisure battery.
Horses for courses, if you're in a place where generator use is commonplace, such as music festival caravan parks then why not?
If you're on a site with 230v electricity available, or in a quiet beauty spot where other will really appreciate the peaceful environment, then why spoil it?
 
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With the original question in mind and in the interest of avoiding 'Post Creep', I would like to advise readers on the present conditions withing a CAMC site in Devon over this Easter week end.
Behold..... :woohoo: The warden driving around all day with a miniature tractor !!!!
If I take many of the responses received on the issue of generators into consideration, do I find this tractor to be noisy and quite distracting? Is it wrecking my vacation? Well.... he is using this thing to collect the trash bins and deliver them to another location, rattling up and down every fifteen minutes or so. Up and down he goes. He is using this to pull caravans about the site. He is using this to generally run about from place to place adhoc instead of walking and to also conduct other activities around the periphery of the site. It is all day, every day and quite relentless. I am surprised in the lack of engagement coming from all on this site when it comes to the 'Peace and quite of the country side'........and the place is packed right now.
I have not witnessed any one on this site complaining about the 'Tractor Noise', no one seems to be as bothered as other contributors to this issue have intimated might be the case ???
 
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I once spent 3 days on an expensive immaculate campsite with a long list of rules and regulations all designed to enhance the luxury feel......one of several gardeners spent the entire time trimming a tall boundary hedge with a two stroke buzz trimmer right near our pitch.
He definitely wasn't on piecework and seemed to be trying to make the job last all week :evil:
Sometimes you just can't win........any noise generator is unlikely to be a winner on a campsite.
 

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