truma regulator fitting

[ValA.]

Hi There - i had problems last yr with the regulator
i have had to buy a new one - and im trying to fit - but here lies the problem
the old regulator had an 8mm threaded screw (at the bottom of the regulator)
the new one i have purchased has a 10mm treaded screw -

so can anyone advise what / how the best way to fit the new regulator?
will the 10mm treaded bolt still tighten ok on the 8mm copper pipe or do i need to buy some extra bits to make this work?
i was thinking buying 10mm copper having a couple of inches of this then get a reducer so i can fit the 8mm copper tube to the gas fittings?

im sure there must be a better/easier way - but im no expert on the gas fittings/ parts so any help on solving this puzzle would be appreciated

 

[SEMPTIE]

Hi
You cannot fit a 10mm regulator to 8mm pipe(or vice versa) no matter how much you tighten the nut you will not get a gas tight seal. You will be able to get adapters to convert from 10 to 8 pipe, but I do know that Truma make regulators for both sizes maybe it could be swopped for the correct one.
As this is a gas fitting unless you are gas safe registered you shouldn`t be doing this job.
Rgds
Simon

 

[MichaelE]

The questions you are asking sounds like your are not too sure what you are doing?
I would get a professional to fit it.

 

[Damian]

When it involves gas and people who patently have absolutely no idea what they are doing, I am NOT polite.

Simple answer is , YOU dont have a clue about LPG and what it can do.
YOU are messing about with part of the fixed pipeworkand unless you have the specialist equipment CANNOT pressure test the system.
YOU have bought the wrong regulator.
YOU are putting your life , and more importantly other peoples lives, at risk because you dont have a clue .

Get a qualified engineer to sort it out for you

You will find one here: http://www.approvedworkshops.co.uk/search/

 

[anotherDavid]

When it involves gas and people who patently have absolutely no idea what they are doing, I am NOT polite.

Simple answer is , YOU dont have a clue about LPG and what it can do.
YOU are messing about with part of the fixed pipeworkand unless you have the specialist equipment CANNOT pressure test the system.
YOU have bought the wrong regulator.
YOU are putting your life , and more importantly other peoples lives, at risk because you dont have a clue .

Get a qualified engineer to sort it out for you

You will find one here: http://www.approvedworkshops.co.uk/search/

I would have thought this person needed some advice not abuse, are you allowed to act like this when you become a moderator?

 

[Damian]

Quote "
I would have thought this person needed some advice not abuse, are you allowed to act like this when you become a moderator?"

First of all, anyone who interferes wit potentially life threatening equipment without the knowledgeto do so is , to put it bluntly, stupid.

Secondly, what is abuse about pointing out the truth about the mistakes made already and the potential further i mistakes which would be made?

Lastly just because I happen to be a Moderator does NOT mean I do not have an opinion and as a Gas Safe Registered Engineer I have every right to post as I have. Not every posting is related to being a Moderator.
What he is proposing is dangerous, potentially fatal and very ill conceived. He needs a reality check.

OR, would you like to see postings saying "there , there, its unfortunate you dont know what your doing, but do it anyaway, it dosent matter, its only gas, it can only kill you"?

Where other peoples safety is concerned, dont expect me to be Politically Correct, as I dont do that PC rubbish.

 

[anotherDavid]

Of course they shouldnt be working on Gas appliances but there was no need for that tone of "voice" either to the original posting or ME. What you will have done is made quite sure that person will never ask a question on this forum again. Its called courtesy not Political Correctness.

 

[Damian]

Sorry David, but on the written forum there is no "voice", the written word cannot convey tonal variations, that is down to how the reader interprets the written word, and in your case you have automatically jumped to the conclusion that it was abusive, when it was and is simply stating the truth with no frills.

 

[Brum1]

Damian. Your post does capitalize the word "you" which does lead one to read your post as shouting.
I do understand your feelings though. I, as a qualified auto technician worry about the number of people who 'fix' their brakes and steering.

 

[hortimech]

I am sorry Damian, but in my opinion, you should not have posted in the way you did. Yes the OP sounds like he does not really know what he is doing, but to rant at him will do no good. It would have been better to politely point out his errors and suggest he seeks proffessional help. Also, just ask yourself, would you have talked to him like that, face to face ??

 

[emmerson]

Damian, moderator or not your post was out of order. I think an apology is called for.

 

[Damian]

Quote " Also, just ask yourself, would you have talked to him like that, face to face ??"

Like what? exactly?
As I have said, th ewritten word is devoid of intonation and has no facial expression to give any idea of how something is being said.
Therefore you have absolutely no idea what tone or facial expressions would be in play .

Would I say the same face to face,,,,,,you bet I would, but I also know that he , or you ,would not be offended by what was said or how.

Unfortunately using capital on the forums is see as shouting, but what was intended was simply emphasising what had happened, and there is no font in between lower case and upper case.

Again it is how an individual "thinks" it sounds, not what it actually sounds like.

All I can assume is that whoever thinks it was abusive or wrong must live in a place where abuse is common to think that way.

It certainly is not prevalent where I live.

 

[emmerson]

Damian, dress it up however you like, your tone was uneccessarily aggresive, and I still think you should apologise to the OP.

 

[Brum1]

Is this the Practical caravan Forum or an episode of Jeremy Kyle?

"All I can assume is that whoever thinks it was abusive or wrong must live in a place where abuse is common to think that way".

I, for one think you were abusive and wrong and do not " live in a place where abuse is common".

 

[hortimech]

Damian, if you think that the way that you posted was ok, then (again) I am sorry, but in my opinion, you should resign as a moderator, unless we are going to have moderators for the moderators.
Nobody should post the way you posted and if you talked to me in the way the post came over, you would not have got half way through your rant, because I would have just walked away.

 

[emmerson]

Still think you're right, Damian?

 

[Damian]

On this occasion I know I am right, sorry if that goes against other peoples thoughts.
The OP has by his own admission no idea about gas but still tries to DIY and gets it wrong.
Where gas safety is concerned and I know what is right I would not apologise for making it very clear .

As for bringing the Moderator part into the topic, I do not post every time as a Moderator, I do actually have my own opinion.
You will notice that when I do post as Moderator it is in red.

 

[JTQ]

As was said 'I am NOT polite', however that is not only a forum requirement but also a requirement of common courtesy. QED on that element of this thread.

The OPs suggestion of using a linking copper tube of 10 mm diameter together with an 8 to 10 adapter is capable of being safe, if not elegant.

It is quite wrong to state, “unless you have the specialist equipment CANNOT pressure test the system.” The pressure can be both identified and checked for pressure tight integrity with nothing more sophisticated than a metre of clear plastic tube and water. Using them as a DIY ‘U’ tube manometer; 30mb being nearly as simple as it gets at twelve inches of water pressure head.

Gas , here LPG, like various other things has the potential to be very dangerous but it does no harm to educate all users, at least in respect to how to make rudimentary safety checks.

 

[Gafferbill]

……..if you read Damian’s post he starts off by apologising for the fact that he is about to be blunt and to the point.
He then goes on to tell it like it is and gives a link to where qualified help can be obtained.

……..yes it could have been done differently but if you use public forums of any type, you should be prepared to accept all types of people and points of view.

Remember the OP displayed such an alarming lack of knowledge that his post could be deliberate to generate these responses.

I remember a post in Technical asking if it was OK to put an electric fire in the gas locker to keep the gas cylinder warm in sub zero weather conditions!!
The poster later admitted it was a wind-up.

 

[hortimech]

When it involves gas and people who patently have absolutely no idea what they are doing, I am NOT polite.

Simple answer is , YOU dont have a clue about LPG and what it can do.
YOU are messing about with part of the fixed pipeworkand unless you have the specialist equipment CANNOT pressure test the system.
YOU have bought the wrong regulator.
YOU are putting your life , and more importantly other peoples lives, at risk because you dont have a clue .

Get a qualified engineer to sort it out for you

You will find one here: http://www.approvedworkshops.co.uk/search/

I am sorry Damian but you should always try to be polite, the way the your post came over was that you were talking down to the OP, this never works.

A better way of putting this would have been:

I think, from the way that you have posted, you do not really know how dangerous messing about with lpg is. You cannot use the regulator that you purchased, it seems to be the wrong one. I would you suggest you return it and then get a qualified engineer to carry out the repair.
If you carry out the repair yourself, you could, ultimately, kill yourself or others.

Lastly just because I happen to be a Moderator does NOT mean I do not have an opinion and as a Gas Safe Registered Engineer I have every right to post as I have.

The above does not give you the right to post as you did, for instance, I take it that you know that a private touring caravan is not covered by Gas safe, if you do not believe me, see here http://cito.org.uk/engineers/gas/acops-5-day.html
My suggestion Damian, take or leave it, is to apologise for way that you posted and in future think before posting.

 

[emmerson]

Damian, I do not have any problems with WHAT you said - gas is a dangerous substance. My problem is the WAY in which you said it. It was extremely rude and arrogant, and no-one needs to be "spoken" to like that.
I say again, aplogise to the OP, and all this will be forgotten. As it is, it leaves a very nasty taste.

 

[Damian]

Ok, OK, OK, I get what is being said, and maybe it was a bit OTT, but LPG is a massively dangerous substance if not handled correctly and will kill given the chance. It takes no prisoners. and folk who have no knowledge of what it will do should never play about with it and if that message has got across, then thats what it was meant to do.

But then you get a posting like this:
Quote"
It is quite wrong to state, “unless you have the specialist equipment CANNOT pressure test the system.” The pressure can be both identified and checked for pressure tight integrity with nothing more sophisticated than a metre of clear plastic tube and water. Using them as a DIY ‘U’ tube manometer; 30mb being nearly as simple as it gets at twelve inches of water pressure head."

That statement is totally wrong in regard to bulkhead regulators where the test pressure to EN1949 is 150Mb. There is no other way of testing to certify the installation.

This is my last on this topic, as it has now gone from what it was to being off topic too far..

 

[Beehpee]

I may be in the minority here but I agree totally with Damien and what he said, how he said it is pretty immaterial, if the original post had shown any understanding of what they were dealing with I'm sure the reply would have been written totally different, I think the complete lack of understanding of the dangers and the lack of knowledge the original post displayed needed a swift and blunt reply before they did something they may or may not have lived to regret, saying you may be should get someone to look at it or it seems they might have the wrong parts to me gives an impression of doubt when it is blatantly obvious even to people who are not gas trained techs that the original poster had no idea what they were dealing with, well done Damien for acting swiftly and leaving no doubts as to the dangers the person was putting themselves and others in.

BP

 

[ProfJohnL]

I have to support what Damian wrote. There have been several instances where questions have been asked which clearly show the questioner does not have knowledge, experience or qualifications in gas work of any sort. If they had been qualified they would not have need to ask the question.

Having been Corgi Registered (for LPG) I concur with Damian;
I have been to some caravan installations where incompetent owners or friends have installed or modified systems and people have been injured as a result.

hortimech is quite right in so far the private owner of a caravan or self propelled home does not have to be GasSafe registered to work on their own caravan gas system, BUT that does not absolve the work from meeting the regulatory standards of work and checks for safety.

NOTE this does not apply to domestic installations where it is a legal requirement for all installation, maintenance, repair or removal must be carried out by a suitably qualified and registered GasSafe fitter.

My view is; It is highly unlikely that an untrained person would have the necessary knowledge or equipment to complete the required suite of checks and tests to confirm the safe condition of the gas installation.

Returning to Damian's first post. he wrote :-
"Get a qualified engineer to sort it out for you"

He did not say it 'must' be a qualified engineer, and nor did he state the engineer had to GasSafe registered, but it is very unlikely that a qualified gas engineer would not be Gas registered as it is a requirement for working on other peoples property.

It is a sensible recommendation that all gas work should be be carried out by a qualified gas engineer.

 

[hortimech]

I do not object to the basics of what damian said, yes you need to know what you are doing when it comes to lpg. What I do object to is the way that Damian posted in reply to the OP and his further posts. He will not admit he was wrong to post the way he did and he is a moderator!
Just how, and who to, do I complain about Damian, because he, in my opinion, is not fit to be a moderator.