What is Diamond 5 – High Security Level?
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It is impossible to answer that question unless one knows exactly what each is rated against.
However, the only people who may answer your question are the makers of the items.
It is also open to interpretation as to who wrote "somewhere else" the claim and what authority they have to make such a statement.
However, the only people who may answer your question are the makers of the items.
It is also open to interpretation as to who wrote "somewhere else" the claim and what authority they have to make such a statement.
It is a rating Stronghold give to their products. So it is peculier to them. Stronghold say they use testing procedures which compare with Sold Secure procedures.
'Somewhere else' related to a Maypole product which I think may be related to Stronghold. What I was asking was the claim a spurious one.
I have though decided to go with PurpleLine. Although the question still stands.
'Somewhere else' related to a Maypole product which I think may be related to Stronghold. What I was asking was the claim a spurious one.
I have though decided to go with PurpleLine. Although the question still stands.
Hobbyt600
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“Maypole” is the company name
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/?route=information/information&information_id=4
and the Maypole company markets a range of security-related products under the brand-name “Stronghold"
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/Security/Stronghold-Security
and the Stronghold range includes the caravan leg lock mentioned above and referred to on the following link
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/Security...n-Leg-Lock/sh5491-stronghold-caravan-leg-lock
The SPECIFICATION section of the leg lock link includes downloadable instructions and these state that one of the benefits/features of the leg lock is “Diamiond 5 - Security Level”. The packaging of the leg lock product refers to another website (www.stronghold-security.com) and this website mentions Maypole
https://www.stronghold-security.com/about/
The Maypole website refers to “Sold Secure” here
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/Sold-secure
saying "Many of the Stronghold products carry Gold Sold Secure Approvals”, but the leg lock apparently does not.
It would appear that the ‘Diamond’ security level rating is peculiar to Maypole, but that does not automatically mean that their leg lock product is inferior quality or in any way insecure.
It is quite possible that Sold Secure testing is not carried out on caravan leg locks as, although there are several similar leg-locking devices currently being marketed, none seem to carry a Sold Secure ‘badge’.
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/?route=information/information&information_id=4
and the Maypole company markets a range of security-related products under the brand-name “Stronghold"
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/Security/Stronghold-Security
and the Stronghold range includes the caravan leg lock mentioned above and referred to on the following link
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/Security...n-Leg-Lock/sh5491-stronghold-caravan-leg-lock
The SPECIFICATION section of the leg lock link includes downloadable instructions and these state that one of the benefits/features of the leg lock is “Diamiond 5 - Security Level”. The packaging of the leg lock product refers to another website (www.stronghold-security.com) and this website mentions Maypole
https://www.stronghold-security.com/about/
The Maypole website refers to “Sold Secure” here
https://www.maypole.ltd.uk/Sold-secure
saying "Many of the Stronghold products carry Gold Sold Secure Approvals”, but the leg lock apparently does not.
It would appear that the ‘Diamond’ security level rating is peculiar to Maypole, but that does not automatically mean that their leg lock product is inferior quality or in any way insecure.
It is quite possible that Sold Secure testing is not carried out on caravan leg locks as, although there are several similar leg-locking devices currently being marketed, none seem to carry a Sold Secure ‘badge’.
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Thank you Hobbyt600 for such a detailed answer it is very much appreciated. As your last paragraph says no other leg lock carries the sold secure 'badge' when the Purpleline and Bailey lock would seem to meet the criteria. I would presume the reason for this is that although the lock protects the winder it does not protect the leg which may be able to be removed by unbolting the complete leg.
I think if the "Scallywags" are going to steal your caravan, they are not going to unbolt a leg stay, just cut it off with a grinder or cutter. I towed away once with a leg left down, all it done luckily was bend the screw thread, it didn't stop the van at all.
Hobbyt600
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Sold Secure’s 2019 catalogue of Approved products can be viewed here
https://www.soldsecure.com/wp-conte...ecure-Approved-Product-Catalogue-2019-Web.pdf
and it will be seen that, although the catalogue includes several Maypole products, it does not include caravan corner-steady locks marketed by Maypole or anyone else. Presumably no manufacturer/distributor of a corner-steady lock has chosen to offer their lock for Sold Secure testing (or every lock tested has failed to be approved
) but, in any case, it’s not easy to see what testing criteria would be used to confirm how ‘secure’ this type of product might be.
I notice that corner steady locks were discussed on this forum in 2009
https://forums.practicalcaravan.com/threads/corner-steady-locks.29898/
when similar comments to EH52ARH’s were made about the locks being defeatable using brute-force methods.
https://www.soldsecure.com/wp-conte...ecure-Approved-Product-Catalogue-2019-Web.pdf
and it will be seen that, although the catalogue includes several Maypole products, it does not include caravan corner-steady locks marketed by Maypole or anyone else. Presumably no manufacturer/distributor of a corner-steady lock has chosen to offer their lock for Sold Secure testing (or every lock tested has failed to be approved
) but, in any case, it’s not easy to see what testing criteria would be used to confirm how ‘secure’ this type of product might be.I notice that corner steady locks were discussed on this forum in 2009
https://forums.practicalcaravan.com/threads/corner-steady-locks.29898/
when similar comments to EH52ARH’s were made about the locks being defeatable using brute-force methods.
Sold Secure’s 2019 catalogue of Approved products can be viewed here
https://www.soldsecure.com/wp-conte...ecure-Approved-Product-Catalogue-2019-Web.pdf
and it will be seen that, although the catalogue includes several Maypole products, it does not include caravan corner-steady locks marketed by Maypole or anyone else. Presumably no manufacturer/distributor of a corner-steady lock has chosen to offer their lock for Sold Secure testing (or every lock tested has failed to be approved
I notice that corner steady locks were discussed on this forum in 2009
https://forums.practicalcaravan.com/threads/corner-steady-locks.29898/
when similar comments to EH52ARH’s were made about the locks being defeatable using brute-force methods.
if they can remove good quality wheel or hitch locks in remarkable short times as has been said leg steadies are easy pickings (or rather cuttings).
Hobby 600, as the forums have migrated, you will have more knowledge to my question. , is there as much theft for Motorhomes/ as there is for caravans, given that Motor homes have to be registered and Road tax paid , which obviously would deter thieves,. Thanks
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Hobbyt600
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This NCC website estimates that 555k touring caravans and 225k motorhomes are in UK use.
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_industry/statistics.aspx
So, if you are interested in thefts OF caravans and motorhomes ( rather than thefts FROM) there are well over twice as many caravans that could be stolen compared to motorhomes.
This CCC Club webpage
https://www.campingandcaravanningcl...dvice/caravan/caravan-theft-daylight-robbery/
states that “around 1200 caravans were stolen in the UK last year” (2018?) but I can’t find any directly comparative figures for motorhomes. This webpage
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/warning-after-30-motorhomes-stolen-17101539
refers to 30 motorhomes being stolen during a 16 month period, but that's just in North Wales.
It’s probably the case that (despite there being electronic entering/starting gizmos available to vehicle thieves nowadays) it’s still a good deal easier to steal a caravan than a motorhome and to dispose of it subsequently. Caravans are much more ‘anonymous’ than motorhomes and less challenging to get rid of in the UK or be taken abroad. Stolen motorhomes often get dismantled for valuable parts and what’s left gets scrapped.
Don’t know the answer, though I'd guess that significantly more caravans than motorhomes are being stolen in the UK.
I expect the UK police have the relevant data and the NCC might know...
https://www.thencc.org.uk/our_industry/statistics.aspx
So, if you are interested in thefts OF caravans and motorhomes ( rather than thefts FROM) there are well over twice as many caravans that could be stolen compared to motorhomes.
This CCC Club webpage
https://www.campingandcaravanningcl...dvice/caravan/caravan-theft-daylight-robbery/
states that “around 1200 caravans were stolen in the UK last year” (2018?) but I can’t find any directly comparative figures for motorhomes. This webpage
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/warning-after-30-motorhomes-stolen-17101539
refers to 30 motorhomes being stolen during a 16 month period, but that's just in North Wales.
It’s probably the case that (despite there being electronic entering/starting gizmos available to vehicle thieves nowadays) it’s still a good deal easier to steal a caravan than a motorhome and to dispose of it subsequently. Caravans are much more ‘anonymous’ than motorhomes and less challenging to get rid of in the UK or be taken abroad. Stolen motorhomes often get dismantled for valuable parts and what’s left gets scrapped.
Don’t know the answer, though I'd guess that significantly more caravans than motorhomes are being stolen in the UK.
I expect the UK police have the relevant data and the NCC might know...
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