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Very sad to hear Vauxhall Luton will shut permanently in April. Another great Christmas for the 1100 employees. They made my sons previous Electric Vivaro which was pretty good considering its hefty size 🥲🥲
 
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Very sad to hear Vauxhall Luton will shut permanently in April. Another great Christmas for the 1100 employees. They made my sons previous Electric Vivaro which was pretty good considering its hefty size 🥲🥲
The production of electric vans will move to Ellesmere Port, Cheshire with a handful of Luton workers being transferred - but production on IC vans will move to mainland Europe - ironic as it was always Ellesmere Port that was under threat of closure by GM with Luton always staying safe.
 
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This is what happens when you have a mad unjustified rush to zero carbon by a certain cretin and then fine the manufacturer up to £5000 for each unit when consumers do not want to buy EVs!
Actually it is. £15k charge per ICE car , introduced in to law in early 2024 by whom?
Surprising how some of today’s papers journalists have similar such short memories.

 
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Very sad to hear Vauxhall Luton will shut permanently in April. Another great Christmas for the 1100 employees. They made my sons previous Electric Vivaro which was pretty good considering its hefty size 🥲🥲

A sad sacrifice on the altar of net zero!
 
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Actually it is. £15k charge per ICE car , introduced in to law in early 2024 by whom?
Surprising how some of today’s papers journalists have similar such short memories.

States the article was published in published 04 January 2024, but certain people are still forcing it to happen!
 
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I know when the law was enacted, Currently it’s up for consultation.
And we all know about "consultations" don't we? The decision gets made, and then, in order to tick the right box, a "consultation" is held. But even if the consultation shows the public are against it the authorities will just claim "We have taken note of the result of the consultation, but we are under no obligation to abide by it" So they dont!
When I worked for the County Council I saw that happen many times.

I for one simply cannot understand why, as such a miniscule contribitor to climate change we are being lumbered with just about the highest electricity costs in the G20 group and being forced into ASHP's (using my tax money to pay others subsidies to install them) and giving generous tax breaks to company car drivers to "go electric" Whilst the poorest among us are hit with high VED because the only cars they can afford are old so attract higher rates rather than the very low ones on uber-expensive EV's. EV owners pay no duty on their fuel, so what is going to replace that tax income? Yet higher fuel duty on petrol and diesel??
 
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And we all know about "consultations" don't we? The decision gets made, and then, in order to tick the right box, a "consultation" is held. But even if the consultation shows the public are against it the authorities will just claim "We have taken note of the result of the consultation, but we are under no obligation to abide by it" So they dont!
When I worked for the County Council I saw that happen many times.

I for one simply cannot understand why, as such a miniscule contribitor to climate change we are being lumbered with just about the highest electricity costs in the G20 group and being forced into ASHP's (using my tax money to pay others subsidies to install them) and giving generous tax breaks to company car drivers to "go electric" Whilst the poorest among us are hit with high VED because the only cars they can afford are old so attract higher rates rather than the very low ones on uber-expensive EV's. EV owners pay no duty on their fuel, so what is going to replace that tax income? Yet higher fuel duty on petrol and diesel??
I’m happy to let the discussions take place between the motor industry and government to see what comes out of them. I suspect there may be a dilution of the levy or some relief.

Wrt your other views I too think that over the last few years policy wrt vehicle taxation has been a pig’s ear. I could never see why small ICE were allowed zero or low VED for so long, even before EVs started to appear in growing numbers.
 

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I have now deleted the whole argument about using obnoxious terms and edited posts that quoted them. Name calling of any sort is not acceptable on this forum and justifying it by quoting articles containing other obnoxious terms is equally reprehensible. It does not happen again.
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I’m happy to let the discussions take place between the motor industry and government to see what comes out of them. I suspect there may be a dilution of the levy or some relief.

Wrt your other views I too think that over the last few years policy wrt vehicle taxation has been a pig’s ear. I could never see why small ICE were allowed zero or low VED for so long, even before EVs started to appear in growing numbers.
Strange how those decision makers couldn’t see beyond the next green lunch. Let’s hope there’s still a motor industry left to have discussions with HMG.
 

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