We're still looking for our van, we've a budget of around £10k I phoned about a van from a dealer we loved the layout, very similar to the Lunar 615 layout with rear end bedroom, bunks coming down the length of the van with a single seater dinner opposite asking about the MTPLW and he wouldn't tell me, he said in all his years he's never bothered with this weight, it the miro I should be considering, the laughed and siad if you're going to take any more than 70kg's over the miro weight then put the stuff in the car!!!!! I couldn't believe my ears, is it right in what he's saying or is he just after the sale, he strikes me as the kind of dealer that would sell a 25ft twin axle van to somebody with anything bigger than a Ford Focus