Hi all just bought a 2005 discovery with full service history after reading this forum i checked the abs panals and the roof looks fine, but i noticed a very fine hairline crack no bigger than your little finger nail above the front side light,is this something to be concerned about as it is barly noticable regards mark
bailey discovery 100 problem small crack in panal
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Damian
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Mark, any crack is something to be concerned about as it will not get smaller, or vanish, it will only get bigger over time, and if the crack is through the depth of the panel, it will be letting water in , which is something you certainly do not want.
If you bought from a dealer, and have some kind of warranty, get it seen to asap, otherwise, get it looked at by a reputable repair facility.
If you bought from a dealer, and have some kind of warranty, get it seen to asap, otherwise, get it looked at by a reputable repair facility.
Thankyou Damian for your reply to the question, what is the best option to take can it be repaired, i only bought it on Saturday and the dealer is 4.5hrs away thanks Mark
As it's just been purchased my action would be to reject it outright, it has the potential of being big trouble.
Whilst ABS can be specialist repaired [welded] the cause can't be so easily remedied, it's likely to be due to local stressing. The real remedy is for the panel to be replaced however the new one also needs to be installed free of stresses.
Thank goodness you purchased from a dealer.
Whilst ABS can be specialist repaired [welded] the cause can't be so easily remedied, it's likely to be due to local stressing. The real remedy is for the panel to be replaced however the new one also needs to be installed free of stresses.
Thank goodness you purchased from a dealer.
Mark
Are you the same Mark who spent a lot of time tracking down this caravan and travelled to Hampshire?
I'm with Damian and JTQ here. Get down there today with the Discovery and demand your money back. If you can't get there quickly you must telephone them and reject the caravan plus send a letter of rejection "to be signed for " today.
Let us know how you get on.
Cheers
Dustydog
Are you the same Mark who spent a lot of time tracking down this caravan and travelled to Hampshire?
I'm with Damian and JTQ here. Get down there today with the Discovery and demand your money back. If you can't get there quickly you must telephone them and reject the caravan plus send a letter of rejection "to be signed for " today.
Let us know how you get on.
Cheers
Dustydog
i would reject this van. they should have told you about the crack.
go and get a refund. let us know how you get on.
jo-anne
go and get a refund. let us know how you get on.
jo-anne
The dealer might not have known about the crack so rejecting it on these grounds would be very difficult.
Did you check the van over thoroughly before you bought it,if you did you obviously didnt see the crack.
You would have to prove to the dealer that the crack was there before you bought the van? and didnt happen on the way home.
There is a chance that this is a surface crack that happened during manufacturing and has been there since day one?
I think you would have problems rejecting a van on the grounds of a hairline crack the size of your finger nail,that you couldnt prove that was there when you bought the van
Did you check the van over thoroughly before you bought it,if you did you obviously didnt see the crack.
You would have to prove to the dealer that the crack was there before you bought the van? and didnt happen on the way home.
There is a chance that this is a surface crack that happened during manufacturing and has been there since day one?
I think you would have problems rejecting a van on the grounds of a hairline crack the size of your finger nail,that you couldnt prove that was there when you bought the van
Michael.
An interesting thought. How could the crack have happened where it did?
So what if it happened on th eway home? Are panels supposed to crack the first time you take the caravan away from the dealer? I think not.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Mark's caravan have an ABS panel not a GRP? Can a hairline crack develop in ABS on the surface?? I don't understand what you mean. A crack is a crack and I think in ABS it may well go the whole way through as opposed to a GRP crack??
The corrollary to your point is that if Mark's caravan panels ever crack he can't blame the Dealer?? Surely that's not right?
Cheers
Dustydog
An interesting thought. How could the crack have happened where it did?
So what if it happened on th eway home? Are panels supposed to crack the first time you take the caravan away from the dealer? I think not.
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't Mark's caravan have an ABS panel not a GRP? Can a hairline crack develop in ABS on the surface?? I don't understand what you mean. A crack is a crack and I think in ABS it may well go the whole way through as opposed to a GRP crack??
The corrollary to your point is that if Mark's caravan panels ever crack he can't blame the Dealer?? Surely that's not right?
Cheers
Dustydog
We are talking the size of a small finger nail here lets not get this out of context!
My point is that if it wasnt pointed out of collection then what proof has he?
ABS is moulded and something in the mould could make an indentation which may look like a crack but isnt.
My point is that if it wasnt pointed out of collection then what proof has he?
ABS is moulded and something in the mould could make an indentation which may look like a crack but isnt.
Ray
I don't think Mark will be able to see the inside without removing the light at the very least. I see Michael's point about a potential moulding imperfection.
Is there some sort of chemical that can test the depth of such a crack; like engineers blue did for metal? That assumes it is a crack and not an imperfection.
Cheers
Dustydog
I don't think Mark will be able to see the inside without removing the light at the very least. I see Michael's point about a potential moulding imperfection.
Is there some sort of chemical that can test the depth of such a crack; like engineers blue did for metal? That assumes it is a crack and not an imperfection.
Cheers
Dustydog
Hi all the crack has been there for a while the dealer i took it to yesterday for a 2nd opinion, said it could have been caused from new when awning rail was fitted by a misalined screw so i will keep a close eye on it thanks all mark
I had exactly the same on my2005 500/5 ranger. ran up from the running light by about 2". the panel was replaced under warranty however now the new one has a crack at the roof line and the caravan is damp. Bailey will not replace this one as I didnt have it serviced on time . Am taking them to county court over the matter .
I had exactly the same on my2005 500/5 ranger. ran up from the running light by about 2". the panel was replaced under warranty however now the new one has a crack at the roof line and the caravan is damp. Bailey will not replace this one as I didnt have it serviced on time . Am taking them to county court over the matter .
This is the classic sign of stress cracking that has plagued bailey vans which results in dampness.only cure is a new panel
get it back to the dealer
get it back to the dealer
Peo
Section 1.2 Warranty in my Bailey Manual clearly states :-
"Any claims under warranty must be made through the Retailer from whom the caravan was purchased".
This in line with The Sale of Goods Act 1979 ( As amended).
It is also stated as a condition precedent that:-
"An authorised Bailey Service Centre has carried out a full service including moisture survey, annually from the date of purchase as new ( or within 6 weeks of each anniversary of purchase)
However if you purchased privately and the Bailey was made after 1st September 2005 the 6 year bodyshell guarantee is assignable to a new owner at a cost of
Section 1.2 Warranty in my Bailey Manual clearly states :-
"Any claims under warranty must be made through the Retailer from whom the caravan was purchased".
This in line with The Sale of Goods Act 1979 ( As amended).
It is also stated as a condition precedent that:-
"An authorised Bailey Service Centre has carried out a full service including moisture survey, annually from the date of purchase as new ( or within 6 weeks of each anniversary of purchase)
However if you purchased privately and the Bailey was made after 1st September 2005 the 6 year bodyshell guarantee is assignable to a new owner at a cost of
Hi Dusty Dog the warrenty is not transferable if you are the second owner and if caravan is registered b4 Sept 05 they wont cover me because my van is registered July 05.
They told me i could so downloaded there form on there web site so sent
They told me i could so downloaded there form on there web site so sent
Mark
Whilst I am an ardent Bailey Fan it cannot be denied there are far too many ABS panels cracking out there. Have a look at all the other caravan forums and you will be shocked. And that's just those we know from the forums.
We all know there is some inherent defect / fault with these panels but no one has owned up yet.
In view of the apparent high frequency of failures I would be very disappointed if Bailey didn't do the honourable thing and replace your cracked panel now.
We have to accept nothing in life is perfect but when it goes wrong isn't it better to stand up and be counted and demonstrate a true customer committment.
Swift had a lot of stick over last two years but see how they have handled customer care. Kath Powell and now the superstar Andy.
Come on Bailey help these guys . They are genuine.
Cheers
Dustydog
Whilst I am an ardent Bailey Fan it cannot be denied there are far too many ABS panels cracking out there. Have a look at all the other caravan forums and you will be shocked. And that's just those we know from the forums.
We all know there is some inherent defect / fault with these panels but no one has owned up yet.
In view of the apparent high frequency of failures I would be very disappointed if Bailey didn't do the honourable thing and replace your cracked panel now.
We have to accept nothing in life is perfect but when it goes wrong isn't it better to stand up and be counted and demonstrate a true customer committment.
Swift had a lot of stick over last two years but see how they have handled customer care. Kath Powell and now the superstar Andy.
Come on Bailey help these guys . They are genuine.
Cheers
Dustydog
I think i am unlucky.
We have a bailey, which now has a rep for cracked panels.
We don't but mud sticks.
Then when i had the old xtrail, that had a rep for turbos blowing.
Mine didn't, but again mud sticks.
It can only reduce the value of the product when selling on.
And give the range a poor image.
Ironic i bought a Bailey because of its rep for being a DRY van.(which it is)
The Nissan for Japanese reliability (which it has been)
We have a bailey, which now has a rep for cracked panels.
We don't but mud sticks.
Then when i had the old xtrail, that had a rep for turbos blowing.
Mine didn't, but again mud sticks.
It can only reduce the value of the product when selling on.
And give the range a poor image.
Ironic i bought a Bailey because of its rep for being a DRY van.(which it is)
The Nissan for Japanese reliability (which it has been)
Hi paddy, a question did you not get a warranty from the dealer you bought the van from? if so he is responsable. I have an early 2005 pagent & as you say the Bailey warranty is not transferable,but when I had water penetration from the front they carried out the repairs Fortunatly it was not down to cracked panels,& They extended their own waranty on the repair for a further year
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