Brake Shoes

DerektheSecond · Aug 21, 2010

My caravan was put in for service whilst I was away with it for a weekend, they found that "one" of the brake shoes have worn down nearly to the metal the only time Ive seen this before is if the shoe hasnt been seated right or the bonding agent has failed between the metal and shoe materiel. Anyway they didnt have any shoes in stock does anyone know what brakes shoes Elddis use i.e. ford, rover etc obviously if I use caravan shoe itll be dlearer and I wouldnt for one minute think that they would have brake shoes manufactured specifically for them, and because of where I live I could get them easier from a factor, failing that when I take them off Ill see ifI can match them up with the sillouettes the motor facters used to keep.

DerektheSecond · Aug 21, 2010

Derek the Second said:
My caravan was put in for service whilst I was away with it for a weekend, they found that "one" of the brake shoes have worn down nearly to the metal the only time Ive seen this before is if the shoe hasnt been seated right or the bonding agent has failed between the metal and shoe materiel. Anyway they didnt have any shoes in stock does anyone know what brakes shoes Elddis use i.e. ford, rover etc obviously if I use caravan shoe itll be dlearer and I wouldnt for one minute think that they would have brake shoes manufactured specifically for them, and because of where I live I could get them easier from a factor, failing that when I take them off Ill see ifI can match them up with the sillouettes the motor facters used to keep.

Sorry its a Compass Xplore 495 2009 model

TD42 · Aug 21, 2010

the brake drum is usually suplied by the chassis maker ie ALKO you could try your local ALKO service centre
or here might be able to help http://www.westerntowing.co.uk/acatalog/AL_KO_BrakesBC.html Or just google ALKO brake shoes
this is assuming your van has an ALKO chassis

Damian · Aug 21, 2010

Your chassis and therefore your hubs will be either Knott or Al-Ko.
Whichever it is you must fit the correct shoes.
To find which shoes you require you need the axle number from the data plate attached to the axle. or measure the diameter of the brakes and the width of the shoes, which if One Shot Nuts are fitted means replacing them as well as they MUST NOT be reused.

DerektheSecond · Aug 21, 2010

Thanks for that its an alko chassis, and I have an Alko dealer locally AND Ive already bought the one shot nuts.
Any idea of price?

Damian · Aug 21, 2010

Assuming they are 2051 size, they are £51.95 for the axle set, ie two sets to replace a complete axle set.
They come complete with new springs, spring retainers, one shot nuts and dust caps.
The only other thing you need is a torque wrench capable of 290 nm to do the nuts up .

DerektheSecond · Aug 21, 2010

Thanks for your help and info.........................again

JTQ · Aug 21, 2010

As its a 2009 caravan surely its under warranty and was certainly supplied in a condition unfit for purpose.
Is it not the dealer who should be sorting it out; presuming they are still trading?
I have had vans that I kept for years, one doing about 34,000 miles and the shoes of that and the others never wore to a point needing replacement. Something must be very wrong with your van.

Billy_bear · Aug 21, 2010

hi derek
i think you will find that a 2009 compass will have a bpw chassis not an alco one
bill

DerektheSecond · Aug 22, 2010

Billy_bear said:
hi derek
i think you will find that a 2009 compass will have a bpw chassis not an alco one
bill

Your right BPW chassis with AlKo hitch, thanks

Damian · Aug 22, 2010

With your latest posting, having previously stated that you have an Al-KO chassis, it shows that unless you know exactly what you are doing, leave it to the engineers who do.
The information and torque figures I gave you in my previous post are now completely useless.
Different brake, different torque setting, different hub nuts.

DerektheSecond · Aug 22, 2010

Damian-Moderator said:
With your latest posting, having previously stated that you have an Al-KO chassis, it shows that unless you know exactly what you are doing, leave it to the engineers who do.
The information and torque figures I gave you in my previous post are now completely useless.
Different brake, different torque setting, different hub nuts.

I made the mistake of assuming an Alko hitch meant an Alco chassis, it was too wet to check, it is a BPW, knott hub.I think I should manage it,I was a mechanic and a MOT examiner (famous last words)

Thanks again
Derek

TD42 · Aug 22, 2010

Hi again Derek same infomation as my first post these do them http://www.western-towing.co.uk/acatalog/BPW_Brake_Shoes.html
again around £59

TD

DerektheSecond · Aug 22, 2010

Great thanks for your help

Derek

DerektheSecond · Sep 2, 2010

Just an update if any ones interested, replaced the shoes turned out that although the van is just now two years old on one side the expander had been fitted the wrong way round meaning the braking on that side was ineffective the equaliser bar had been adjusted so it wasnt at right angles to the main bar, whether that had been to compensate for the lack of and extensive wear of friction materiel on the other side side I dont know anyway the result has been an overheated hub with a very smelly bearing which I also replaced, I never thought to check for heat as I used to because the van was so new, 20 minutes per side for brakes plus extra 30 mins to knock out the bearing put drum in the oven gas mark 6 bearing in freezer, bearing drops straight in without having to use a press or hammer and old socket, new one shot nuts, despite being told by several workshops( thats a worry) that they can be reused with threadlock, for peace of mind.BPW supply a handbook and its also online which is very good detailing the brake parts and system, remember that you need a very large torque wrench for the nuts 330 nm or approx 294 lbs

SteveW77 · Oct 18, 2012

It would appear that the forum has become a target for the idiots.

Steve W

Damian · Oct 18, 2012

Just for clarification and to stop any unintended sharp retorts to Steve's posting, he was NOT referring to Derek the Second.
He was referring to a spam advertising posting which appeared on the site.

The posting has been removed along with the originator.

Gafferbill · Oct 18, 2012

Self edited.

Gybe · Oct 19, 2012

Derek the Second said:
Just an update if any ones interested, replaced the shoes turned out that although the van is just now two years old on one side the expander had been fitted the wrong way round meaning the braking on that side was ineffective the equaliser bar had been adjusted so it wasnt at right angles to the main bar, whether that had been to compensate for the lack of and extensive wear of friction materiel on the other side side I dont know anyway the result has been an overheated hub with a very smelly bearing which I also replaced, I never thought to check for heat as I used to because the van was so new, 20 minutes per side for brakes plus extra 30 mins to knock out the bearing put drum in the oven gas mark 6 bearing in freezer, bearing drops straight in without having to use a press or hammer and old socket, new one shot nuts, despite being told by several workshops( thats a worry) that they can be reused with threadlock, for peace of mind.BPW supply a handbook and its also online which is very good detailing the brake parts and system, remember that you need a very large torque wrench for the nuts 330 nm or approx 294 lbs

Gybe · Oct 19, 2012

Damian-Moderator said:
With your latest posting, having previously stated that you have an Al-KO chassis, it shows that unless you know exactly what you are doing, leave it to the engineers who do.
The information and torque figures I gave you in my previous post are now completely useless.
Different brake, different torque setting, different hub nuts.

Derek the Second said:
Just an update if any ones interested, replaced the shoes turned out that although the van is just now two years old on one side the expander had been fitted the wrong way round meaning the braking on that side was ineffective the equaliser bar had been adjusted so it wasnt at right angles to the main bar, whether that had been to compensate for the lack of and extensive wear of friction materiel on the other side side I dont know anyway the result has been an overheated hub with a very smelly bearing which I also replaced, I never thought to check for heat as I used to because the van was so new, 20 minutes per side for brakes plus extra 30 mins to knock out the bearing put drum in the oven gas mark 6 bearing in freezer, bearing drops straight in without having to use a press or hammer and old socket, new one shot nuts, despite being told by several workshops( thats a worry) that they can be reused with threadlock, for peace of mind.BPW supply a handbook and its also online which is very good detailing the brake parts and system, remember that you need a very large torque wrench for the nuts 330 nm or approx 294 lbs

I would hope that the caravan had been built and checked by "engineers" that knew what they were doing

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