colyn ap brygynd, when will you stop asking for posts to be deleted and trying to score points with the Mods?
David, the simple travellers post you mentioned has been run at least twice. I don't recall them being deleted but they certainly got heated with a lot of arguing.
In this thread there is no arguing, just a general discussion, yet some would like to see people gagged by deleting the thread for no reason, very strange indeed.
David, the simple travellers post you mentioned has been run at least twice. I don't recall them being deleted but they certainly got heated with a lot of arguing.
In this thread there is no arguing, just a general discussion, yet some would like to see people gagged by deleting the thread for no reason, very strange indeed.
Lord B. I would like to see this posting deleted as it is, at the moment, not personal to us contributers but very personal to the families concerned and controversial - more so with the action of the police in Portugal in the past 24 hours. I am not trying to score Brownie points just being concerned for the individuals involved.
The whole McCann situation is pure speculation by everyone apart from those actually involved, whoever they are.
Whilst I see the need for some people to have to discuss the subject, it seems to me to be a totally pointless exercise, as it will not affect the outcome, whatever that may be.
To say that every household in the country are discussing the matter is somewhat of an overstatement, as from the people I see and talk to, it seems most have become disinterested as it has gone on for so long and has been hyped up endlessly by the media.
While the topic remains in general terms, with no more added possibilities as to what has happened, or why, it can remain.
As I have just had to delete a couple of postings as one was simply sarcastic with the, probably, expected reply, if any more of those kind of posts appear then the topic will be taken out and not allowed to re open until after the conclusion of the situation.
Whilst I see the need for some people to have to discuss the subject, it seems to me to be a totally pointless exercise, as it will not affect the outcome, whatever that may be.
To say that every household in the country are discussing the matter is somewhat of an overstatement, as from the people I see and talk to, it seems most have become disinterested as it has gone on for so long and has been hyped up endlessly by the media.
While the topic remains in general terms, with no more added possibilities as to what has happened, or why, it can remain.
As I have just had to delete a couple of postings as one was simply sarcastic with the, probably, expected reply, if any more of those kind of posts appear then the topic will be taken out and not allowed to re open until after the conclusion of the situation.
It seems my request for every one to be careful about what they post has its self caused some controversy.
Please note, I have only suggested that restraint and care should be used when posting, I have not asked you to stop posting.
What does concern me is that several posters have seen fit to judge the situation as if they have possession of the facts. I personally have seen very few stories in the media that I can implicitly trust as factual.
It has been said that the media is grasping at straws and suddenly 1+1=3. This is very dangerous. We all know that the media often try to make a story with only a few bits of uncorroborated evidence, so it is unwise to accredit these stories with truth. (Governments are adept at that as well).
It is clear that the Portuguese justice system is very different to our own, and that unlike the British the Portuguese Police do not brief the media on the progress of a case. Therefore what has been presented in the media is hearsay, and probably modified to suit an editorial angle.
Of course the topic is likely to be discussed in homes and other places, but when you discuss something face to face your identity is known This forum (and others) effectively hides the poster's identity, and that may make some feel they can hide behind the anonymity and proffer more extreme views than if they were identifiable.
I simply ask that before posting check your facts, and only post what you would be prepared to stand up and say in person under oath in front of a judge.
Please note, I have only suggested that restraint and care should be used when posting, I have not asked you to stop posting.
What does concern me is that several posters have seen fit to judge the situation as if they have possession of the facts. I personally have seen very few stories in the media that I can implicitly trust as factual.
It has been said that the media is grasping at straws and suddenly 1+1=3. This is very dangerous. We all know that the media often try to make a story with only a few bits of uncorroborated evidence, so it is unwise to accredit these stories with truth. (Governments are adept at that as well).
It is clear that the Portuguese justice system is very different to our own, and that unlike the British the Portuguese Police do not brief the media on the progress of a case. Therefore what has been presented in the media is hearsay, and probably modified to suit an editorial angle.
Of course the topic is likely to be discussed in homes and other places, but when you discuss something face to face your identity is known This forum (and others) effectively hides the poster's identity, and that may make some feel they can hide behind the anonymity and proffer more extreme views than if they were identifiable.
I simply ask that before posting check your facts, and only post what you would be prepared to stand up and say in person under oath in front of a judge.
Mr. Mod 2 I must apologise for my reply to a comment made by my learned friend Lord. B. In hindsight perhaps it was a bit close to the knuckle.
Spot the difference
brian (st albans)
The discussions on here are no different to those being held in households and workplaces around the world,
Moderator2
To say that every household in the country are discussing the matter is somewhat of an overstatement,
EVERY !!!!!
somewhat of an overstatement Mod ;O)
brian (st albans)
The discussions on here are no different to those being held in households and workplaces around the world,
Moderator2
To say that every household in the country are discussing the matter is somewhat of an overstatement,
EVERY !!!!!
somewhat of an overstatement Mod ;O)
Moderator, Why would you delete a post which at the moment has high media coverage. I have not seen any arguements except maybe from Colin. There is nothing to Argue about. Is any one going to be sued for liable? No i don't think so, as i have not seen anything like that.
How can anyone take offence from this? Unless you are A relative of Kate or Terry McCann you can't. If a person on here is then why stave public discussion? If you are going to shut the post down just because you want to, then go ahead, but as stated before hand i really don't think that it is in anyway inapproriate. The original peice came from the BBC .co.uk
How can anyone take offence from this? Unless you are A relative of Kate or Terry McCann you can't. If a person on here is then why stave public discussion? If you are going to shut the post down just because you want to, then go ahead, but as stated before hand i really don't think that it is in anyway inapproriate. The original peice came from the BBC .co.uk
Diane, if you read what I actually posted, I said if postings stay on topic, it will remain.
If it is sidetracked by off topic posts or personal comments then they will be deleted.
Lets stick to the known facts, not speculation or over enthusiastic imaginations of what "may" have happened.
If it is sidetracked by off topic posts or personal comments then they will be deleted.
Lets stick to the known facts, not speculation or over enthusiastic imaginations of what "may" have happened.
I can't believe this is still here.
Posters above have called the McCanns negligent, stated that they have medicated their children to make them sleep, that they "have had something to do with her disappearance", that they have not shown remorse (why would they if they aren't guilty?).
This has nothing to do with political correctness. If statements of this kind above cannot be proven, they could be held to be defamatory or libellous. The McCanns have already launched a libel action against a newspaper that reported the police as believing they were guilty.
Regardless of this, how would you feel if your child disappeared and somebody on an internet forum said "I think he had something to do with it", or "he's not grieving enough" which whether libellous or not is certainly very offensive?
Hiding behind free speech is disingenuous at worst and ignorant at best.
Somebody had to say it.
Posters above have called the McCanns negligent, stated that they have medicated their children to make them sleep, that they "have had something to do with her disappearance", that they have not shown remorse (why would they if they aren't guilty?).
This has nothing to do with political correctness. If statements of this kind above cannot be proven, they could be held to be defamatory or libellous. The McCanns have already launched a libel action against a newspaper that reported the police as believing they were guilty.
Regardless of this, how would you feel if your child disappeared and somebody on an internet forum said "I think he had something to do with it", or "he's not grieving enough" which whether libellous or not is certainly very offensive?
Hiding behind free speech is disingenuous at worst and ignorant at best.
Somebody had to say it.
I don't think I saw it colyn ap brydgynd but if I did I wouldn't have been offended as I hope you wouldn't from my posts. This is a forum and some need to realise this fact. Even in real life name calling hardly bruises :O)
Brian, if you said MOST households you would have probably been telling the truth.
Mod2 says that "it seems most have become disinterested ". Yes, that was probably true 24 hours ago and I include myself in that but Mod 2 you have to admit the case has taken a significant turn which HAS got people talking.
The only comment I have is that I think that the constant criticism in the press of the Portugese Police is very unfair. They have been faced with a very difficult high profile case and have complied with the law in not commenting on an on going case.
I wonder what would have happened in a similar situation in a British town? Would we have sealed of Bournemouth, Weymouth or Swanage? There are hardly any spare Police available in the whole of Dorset unless their is a Political Party Conference taking place.
The actions of the British Police in the Yorkshire Ripper and Soham murder cases for example were not without mistakes.
It appears that we have all, including the press, become used to everything being like the Bill where there is a conclusion of every case in 1 hour.
I wonder what would have happened in a similar situation in a British town? Would we have sealed of Bournemouth, Weymouth or Swanage? There are hardly any spare Police available in the whole of Dorset unless their is a Political Party Conference taking place.
The actions of the British Police in the Yorkshire Ripper and Soham murder cases for example were not without mistakes.
It appears that we have all, including the press, become used to everything being like the Bill where there is a conclusion of every case in 1 hour.
Thank you Alan, you are quite entitled to put your point of view and you should be admired for it. Now will you afford us the same priviledge.
I have just re-read the posts to see who you accuse of accusing them of showing "no remorse" for killing the girl and it was Will who posted that. Did you stop to think that Will meant that they showed no remorse for leaving the children unattended, that's how I read it Alan. It's so easy to misread a post and go off at the deep end blaming someone wrongly. Stifling free speech is what the PC Brigade excel at. :O(
I have just re-read the posts to see who you accuse of accusing them of showing "no remorse" for killing the girl and it was Will who posted that. Did you stop to think that Will meant that they showed no remorse for leaving the children unattended, that's how I read it Alan. It's so easy to misread a post and go off at the deep end blaming someone wrongly. Stifling free speech is what the PC Brigade excel at. :O(
"unless their is a Political Party Conference taking place."
Lol Ray, I experienced that while staying at Black Knowl a few years ago. Unbeknown to us we decided to go to Bournemouth and when we got there the Tory Conference was on. All we could do was drive through, all street parking stopped, every car park closed, swarming with police, and that was just the ones in uniform. We went on to Poole.
No Comment
I only Deal in Fact, not Speculation.
Which is what I thought the Police did !!!!
The truth will out in the end.
Val & Frank
I only Deal in Fact, not Speculation.
Which is what I thought the Police did !!!!
The truth will out in the end.
Val & Frank
Parksy
Moderator
I do not know either the McCann family or anything about this sad case apart from what has been said and written in the media. One thing that I do know is that Police personnel anywhere that you care to name can be intimidatory and have what some might think of as 'nasty suspicious minds.'
The Portugese police cannot afford to take anything at all at face value and have to fully explore every avenue fully, however unpleasant this is. If this leads to the safe return of this unfortunate child then any price is worth paying.
The Portugese police cannot afford to take anything at all at face value and have to fully explore every avenue fully, however unpleasant this is. If this leads to the safe return of this unfortunate child then any price is worth paying.
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