If I fit a mover to my new van myself does this affect the warranty? After all I have to drill holes etc.
tia
tia
does fitting a mover yourself invalidate the warranty?
- Thread starter Grahamh
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the only hole you should need to drill is in the back of the battery box for the cables to the motor & the isolation switch,the cables from the controll box are usually passed though a gas drop hole
this should not affect your warranty as it will not cause any possible water ingess problems
But to be on the safe side contact the van makers for advice
this should not affect your warranty as it will not cause any possible water ingess problems
But to be on the safe side contact the van makers for advice
Unless things have changed recently your warranty should be OK if you are reasonably competent and follow the instructions carefully.
I have had no trouble with registering the warranty on 3 movers from Powrwheel plus the latest where I did only the electrics.
The only restircition are that the motors and control unit bear notices that warrany will be void if they are opened.
I have had no trouble with registering the warranty on 3 movers from Powrwheel plus the latest where I did only the electrics.
The only restircition are that the motors and control unit bear notices that warrany will be void if they are opened.
I assume you are refering to the warranty on your caravan, more so than teh warranty on the mover. TD is as far as I am aware correct, You should not be required to drill holes in the caravan chassis memebers. If you did that that will possibly limit ALKO's warranty, but most movers are designed to clamp to the chassis thus avoiding drilling holes in the metal work.Grahamh said:
So the only holes you may need to make are as TD suggests for the wires entry to the battery box. Just follow the instructions with the mover and you shoudl be ok.
Yesterday i had a Powrwheel evolution fitted to my Lunar Delta. It took their fitter 3 hours to do and made a fantastic job. After looking at how it was done i would get someone to do it every time, it would have taken me days !!!!!!. I removed the old mover that was 10 years old. and this one is unbelievable compared to that one.
Graham Derby said:
We did the same about two months ago as the manual one was getting a bit much for me plus it was grit rollers. We replaced it with the Powertouch self engaging. We had a few issues at first, but they seem to be resolved now. Don't ever leave the red key in the socket even in the off position as it drains the battery according to our dealer.
If it still had current flowing in the OFF position with the key in place it would not be much use as a isolator!
I think your dealer is telling porkies.
I think your dealer is telling porkies.
Parksy
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TD42 said:
And there was me thinking Gas drop holes were there for a safety aspect of the gas regs!! (Insert smilly of your choice)
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Damian
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Quote " the cables from the controll box are usually passed though a gas drop hole"
Really????????????????
Please state where in the fitting instructions that it says to pass the motor cables through the gas drop holes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no,dont bother, it does NOT state that anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!
The motor cables should be passed through their own holes, drilled by the fitter,
Really????????????????
Please state where in the fitting instructions that it says to pass the motor cables through the gas drop holes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no,dont bother, it does NOT state that anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!
The motor cables should be passed through their own holes, drilled by the fitter,
Parksy
Moderator
I'll forward your details first thing on Monday when the Haymarket office report back for duty Martin, you should be ok after that.Martin_E said:
A totaly unnessaccery reply designed to to create an argument well for the first time in my life I will bite. There is nowhere in the installation instructons telling you where to drill holes in the underside of the caravan.common sense tells you that the least holes the better so as a gas drop hole is normally 2/3 inches in diameter passing a pair of cables through will not create problems,or are you intermating that there may be a possibility of an explosion due to the proximity of electric & escaping gas???Damian-Moderator said:
as the gas drop hole is placed there by the caravan makers ,then the OP will not be risking his van warranty by drilling extra holes which is the question he asked.
using the gas drop hole has been the practice of all 3 fitters who fitted & refitted my powrtouch as a way of routing cable from the control box to the motors
if you have any safety argument against useing them as a route then please post it
TD42
PS I have taken particular objection to your post as you are supposed to be a moderator & should if you have an objection to my post explain why,in your opinion useing the gas drop holes was incorrect & couched it in a less inflamtory manner
Hello TD42
The gas drop out holes are there because the law requires them, and they form part of fixed ventilation again the law requires. If you obstruct or reduce them, then techically you have reduced the required fixed ventilation. Now I admit the reduction is only going to be small and it is unlikley to genuinly affect user safety, but any fitter compromising the legal requirments is acting illegally, and if it could be shown that their installation compromised safety they would be of course be liable.
The installation of all equipement (especially gas appliances but also all other apliances including motor movers) must be fitted in accordance with the manufacturers instructions. If the instructions tell the fitter to drill a hole for the cables, then that what they should do, and not interfere with safety devices, such as drop out holes.
The gas drop out holes are there because the law requires them, and they form part of fixed ventilation again the law requires. If you obstruct or reduce them, then techically you have reduced the required fixed ventilation. Now I admit the reduction is only going to be small and it is unlikley to genuinly affect user safety, but any fitter compromising the legal requirments is acting illegally, and if it could be shown that their installation compromised safety they would be of course be liable.
The installation of all equipement (especially gas appliances but also all other apliances including motor movers) must be fitted in accordance with the manufacturers instructions. If the instructions tell the fitter to drill a hole for the cables, then that what they should do, and not interfere with safety devices, such as drop out holes.
Thank you Prof, you have put the answer as I would have expected & accepted From a legal point you are probably correct (bearing in mind that I do not know the required formuler used for the deduction of the required size of gas drop holes & if by using them as a cable route would compromise this ) But again the OP was asking if the caravan warranty was compromised if HE self fitted the mover to which my answer was directed
Damian
Moderator
Quote " I have taken particular objection to your post as you are supposed to be a moderator & should if you have an objection to my post explain why,in your opinion useing the gas drop holes was incorrect & couched it in a less inflamtory manner"
I make no apologies for the posting.
Being a Moderator does not exclude me from my own observations and postings.
As a very highly qualified Approved Mobile Workshop and a Gas Safe Registered Engineer I take all matters of safety very very seriously.
Your posting stating that cables are "normally" passed through gas drop holes is factually incorrect and is NOT a reommended way of routing the wiring, despite your "fitter" doing so.
All he has done is save himself a small amount of time in the fitting process but has compromised the safety of the van, albeit very slightly, by partially obscuring the gas drop hole.
They are called Gas Drop holes because that is the ONLY function they are there for, they are NOT motor mover cable entry points, waste pipe exits or anything else.
The following is a direct copy from page 14 of the installation manual:
"Then drill four 8mm diameter holes in the floor approximately 150mm from the control box......................................................."
I make no apologies for the posting.
Being a Moderator does not exclude me from my own observations and postings.
As a very highly qualified Approved Mobile Workshop and a Gas Safe Registered Engineer I take all matters of safety very very seriously.
Your posting stating that cables are "normally" passed through gas drop holes is factually incorrect and is NOT a reommended way of routing the wiring, despite your "fitter" doing so.
All he has done is save himself a small amount of time in the fitting process but has compromised the safety of the van, albeit very slightly, by partially obscuring the gas drop hole.
They are called Gas Drop holes because that is the ONLY function they are there for, they are NOT motor mover cable entry points, waste pipe exits or anything else.
The following is a direct copy from page 14 of the installation manual:
"Then drill four 8mm diameter holes in the floor approximately 150mm from the control box......................................................."
TD42 said:
Hello TD42
Not 'probably' , but definately correct.
In my day I also had gas fitting qualifiactions (it was Corgi then) and compromising any form of safety ventilation is a definate no no. and any fitter doing so has contravened the saftey regs. Incidentally any other person doing so even as a DIY is breaking the Gas safety Regs. Unlike some H&S laws, there are very good reasons (when you understand the nature of gas) for the gas safety regs.
Damians replies can be very direct, but he's usually spot on
Blimey,
didn't mean to be the cause of controversy. I know the last one I fitted I drilled a hole thru for the cables and sealed it all up afterwards. I note that the warranty is substantially longer if I have it fitted. My last mover failed in the first 6 months(control box) and they replaced it under warranty. When that one failed 12 months later I had a huge battle to get it replaced as 'unfit for purpose'. Needless to say I won't be fitting the same mover, despite it being proclaimed as 'best value". I checked with the dealer who has assured me fitting it myself will not jeapardise the warranty but still may have it fitted to increase the warranty period. I seem to recall that the fitting fee is £100 to £150. Might try to get a deal at the show.
Thanks again
Graham
didn't mean to be the cause of controversy. I know the last one I fitted I drilled a hole thru for the cables and sealed it all up afterwards. I note that the warranty is substantially longer if I have it fitted. My last mover failed in the first 6 months(control box) and they replaced it under warranty. When that one failed 12 months later I had a huge battle to get it replaced as 'unfit for purpose'. Needless to say I won't be fitting the same mover, despite it being proclaimed as 'best value". I checked with the dealer who has assured me fitting it myself will not jeapardise the warranty but still may have it fitted to increase the warranty period. I seem to recall that the fitting fee is £100 to £150. Might try to get a deal at the show.
Thanks again
Graham
I don't see anything wrong with Damian's posts, sometimes being direct regarding safety is the best way to get a message accross, I am sure Damian could fluff his replays up and pad them out with regulation this or regulation that, but there is no point, we all know that he is correct, brash answer or no brash answer.
Parksy
Moderator
Sorry to wander off topic again but has your verification problem been resolved now Martin?Martin_E said:
I
forwarded your details along with everyone elses and Masimba replied
today that he'd updated the safe user list so you should be on it now.
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