European referendum

[colin-yorkshire]

Quite so,m'lud. And howabout the barefaced arrogance of the DiC,(Despot-in-Chief).S*d our own rules,we'll go ahead with ratification anyway.

Dave

the forum engine won't let me in the front door to post a reply so here goes though the back door( ie comments)

to LB yes I am sure I have seen his interviews on tv and in programs like question time he wants "an independant scotland so it can be a full member of the eu with all the benefits that come with it instead of the piecemeal little bit given out as a british region and with the nationalisation of all the gas and oil fields off scotland it would make scotland a country well capable of standing on it own feet.a sort of country william wallace and robert the bruce would be proud of.

as for europe well there is two thoughs on this either you are a european that want a united europe with all member states seen as equal with all the benifits that come with this. or a little englander with delusions of grandure that think we still have an empire and influence in the world and can dictate our terms on others.

the truth is we are not either of these just a little island on the fringes of a big continent with no international influence on anything.

colin

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Quote the Yorkshire Tyke ..

"a little englander with delusions of grandure"...

correct colin, we will no longer be little Englanders, their (the Eurocrats) plans are that we are part of the Prefecture of Northern France Region. All we will be is the Counties of Wales and England if we are lucky. People like Churchill, Nelson and Wellington must be turning in their graves. What the French have been trying to do for centuries, and latterly the Germams, to have political control of these islands, will have been acheived without firing a shot in anger. All I see is despots who want to become a super power on a par with the USA, Russia and China.

 

[davedee]

the forum engine won't let me in the front door to post a reply so here goes though the back door( ie comments)

to LB yes I am sure I have seen his interviews on tv and in programs like question time he wants "an independant scotland so it can be a full member of the eu with all the benefits that come with it instead of the piecemeal little bit given out as a british region and with the nationalisation of all the gas and oil fields off scotland it would make scotland a country well capable of standing on it own feet.a sort of country william wallace and robert the bruce would be proud of.

as for europe well there is two thoughs on this either you are a european that want a united europe with all member states seen as equal with all the benifits that come with this. or a little englander with delusions of grandure that think we still have an empire and influence in the world and can dictate our terms on others.

the truth is we are not either of these just a little island on the fringes of a big continent with no international influence on anything.

colin

Hi Colin.

Please re-read the closing paragraph of my previous post (teh one before my reply to LB). I believe this shows my position on Europe.I am an Englishman who wants a united Europe that benefits all countries equally and free from corrupt dictators who run the thing for their own personal ends.

Remember the old saying,Colin: Power corrupts.Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We are witnessing that corruption being played out on a daily basis in Brussels.

Dave

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

On the News just now:

French president, Nicolas Teacozy (I think that's his name)has advised all other EU states to "push ahead with ratification".

Are these bl**dy people real or what?

Dave

If you mean "real" dictators the answer is yes. They are power crazy and would be more at home in Africa or South America.

 

[Lutz]

Why should England be part of the Prefecture of Northern France Region? What's special about the Northern France Region that it should be singled out? Any difference between the Northern France Region and the Southern France Region? Or, for that matter, Northern France and the Benelux?

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Lutz, I've tried Googling it but can't exactly recall the name of the proposal. It was in our press/tv around 18 monthsago. It was a French proposal (oh what a surprise) of making political/economic regions/areas. France was broken up into regions, two I think, the larger being central and south while the UK was part of the northern French region.

I haven't heard anymore about it, that's the part that worries me, the E.U. are noted for doing things by stealth.

 

[Gumbo]

You seem to miss the point it is OUR LEADERS who are letting us down. They never argue the point for change. It is obvious some things are wrong with the European Model.

If OUR Leaders can't muster enough votes for change, or persuade others on the merits of something we have proposed. They should then tell US

Only then we can decide as a Nation if we want to Walk Away mmmmmmmmmmm What I have seen so far looks like Dummy & Pram

 

[Lutz]

Lutz, I've tried Googling it but can't exactly recall the name of the proposal. It was in our press/tv around 18 monthsago. It was a French proposal (oh what a surprise) of making political/economic regions/areas. France was broken up into regions, two I think, the larger being central and south while the UK was part of the northern French region.

I haven't heard anymore about it, that's the part that worries me, the E.U. are noted for doing things by stealth.

I wonder whether that proposal was meant to be serious. I don't see what it was supposed to achieve. One might just as well suggest that the UK join up with Holland and Belgium. That would give the prefect of Northern France something to ponder over.

 

[davedee]

Hi Frank.

That is exactly my point!It IS the leaders who are the problem.But the only way to stop them is to vote against the system as they themselves are fireproof.They are unelected and unaccountable.You cannot vote out an MEP as you didn't vote him in,in the first place.

Dave