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I am amazed, I made a post on this forum on the 6th October asking -How many nights?
I was at first pleased when P.C. Asked the same question on Facebook earlier today.

Now what amazed me and is now worrying me, in the time it's been up on the forum it's atracted 3 replies. Yet in five hours on Facebook the same question has had 85 responses.

ive been a member of the forum for a number of years and have been grateful for some of the advice I've received, however of late a bit saddened by the lack of posts.

does the above example, mean we could be seeing the beggining of the end of the forum.
what do people think? Or how can we change things around, and bring this forum back to life.

something to ponder.
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So how many replies are you expecting on this topic
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I'm with you John it's been very quite on here of late, but in retrospect it does come and go, think it depends on the time of year,
how many problems people encounter and what advice they require.
Some people come on here ask a question, get an answer and tahts the last you see of them for a while, until ther next problem.
We have had a whisper proberbly going back maybe a year or so that this forum was to be up dated, but it has never happened.

Another problem we have is that staff at PC HQ dont bother with us here any more there all on face book I would assume.
It was in a post on here that some one asked about the photo competetion results, two days later and AFTER being prompted there was a reply!!!!!!!!!!
As you may have guessed I am not on Facebook (yet) I do have an account or whatever it is called but I just cant get use to it or work out how to use it
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I also am not using other caravan forums although I do read them and yes thay are more active than here
Sorry dont know the answer but think we willall have to move on with the times at some time or another.
 
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Internet sites will all go the same way and become "us & them" as those resistant to the relentless march of technology simply ignore new media methods and continue with older ways that still work.

"Change is inevitable, progress is optional"
 

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The Outdor Leisure division of Haymarket Consumer Media who administer and pay for this website and forum are a part of a large market leading commercial company, and amongst other things they publish Practical Caravan Magazine and Practical Motorhome magazines.
In common with every other commercial business or organisation, Haymarket need to reach as wide a potential customer base (or audience) as possible in order to maximise sales and also to develop and to reinforce brand loyalty.
The advent of instant mass communication has completely revolutionised the possibilities for promotion of brand awareness in recent times.
Around ten years ago internet forums and websites were the cutting edge method with which to broaden appeal, but technological advances in electronic communication mean that a relatively compact i-phone or tablet is now more multi-functional than,say, a ten year old desktop computer was in it's heyday.
The greatest innovations in peer to peer advertising and brand reinforcement in recent times have been Facebook and Twitter, and both were designed to function via i-pads, mobile phones etc which is why they are so effective as marketing tools.
A commuter on a bus or a train may well switch on their i-phone to have a look at their Facebook profile (or page) or perhaps look at their Twitter account while they are travelling to and from work, they don't want to be involved in long detailed discussions but they may switch to Practical Caravan on Facebook to ask a quick question or to post a photo which is also on their i-phone, or just to provide a one line opinion.
This more recent technology does not mean that we on this forum are under threat or doomed, we fulfill a completely different but equally valid function to Facebook or Twitter, but it does mean that Haymarket use more than one internet resource in order to increase customer awareness and brand loyalty.

It's true that this forum has been quiet in comparison to other caravan related internet forums, and in some respects we've lost ground to Facebook.
The forum 'upgrade' which took place around three years ago cost us some members who found the interface difficult to use, and continuing issues with Internet Explorer and the problems that arose because of the anti spam software have also seen potential members go elsewhere.

In the past few weeks I've been given the tools with which to upgrade the status of forum members so that they are no longer required to complete the annoying letters and numbers 'captcha' box whenever they submit a forum post.
I was unaware of this problem until forumites contacted me for help, some had been completing the 'captcha' box for ages without saying a word!
I've been quietly working in the background for a few weeks to upgrade every bona fide forum account, including the new members, so that no one has to complete this word verification process.
I've also been conducting a private war against spammers (which I'm winning!) whereby I'm blockng them before they get the chance to cause problems, the unseen spammers have meant that this website was damaged in terms of Google rankings.

Thanks to everyone who contacts me via email when a spam post makes it onto the message boards, but please be assured that for every spam post that appears there are many more that are blocked or deleted by other means.

It's true that Practical Caravan editorial staff often interact with Facebook users, there are several reasons for this, not least because of the advertising potential of FB and Twitter which help Practical Caravan to continue to be a market leader thus securing the employees future prospects.

Community Editor Stacie Pardoe often has a look on this forum for good pictures for inclusion in the magazine with a chance to win a prize, and she also contacts those of us with interesting points or stories from forum posts which are included in the readers letters.
One or two forum members have won prizes in recent months thanks to Stacie, myself included, and if she doesn't post very often this is because she is a busy young mother who works part time with not a lot of time to spare because of tight deadlines for articles and arranging her trips which she juggles with family life.

It has to be said that on occasion new and somewhat nervous Practical Caravan editorial staff have posted on this forum, only to receive responses that have seemed a bit robust or not very friendly, so perhaps we could all play our part in being a bit more welcoming to the editorial staff whenever they venture onto the forum even if we don't always share their point of view ( about FB for example
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It's good that Practical Caravan on Facebook draw some inspiration from forum posts, and of course I never miss an opportunity to draw attention to this forum on FB, so that if some detailed technical information is required this forum is the first port of call.
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One of the "problems" of new technology is that it becomes divisive - those using twitter/facebook/forums only see the media version they use unless originators make multiple postings.
This is an issue the BBC faces with TV news which can't directly be responded to, internet news which can be responded to and twitter accounts which are only seen by twitter users - conventional magazines, like Haymarkets, have the same issue - the whole thing is becoming very divisive because no-one, or very few, see every thing that gets posted.

For some, possibly many, twitter and facebook are both places we'll never go, out of personal choice and dropping forums through lack of use will be no incentive for us to make any move towards twitter and/or facebook.

My 30-year working career was spent in IT - I saw first-hand how technology speeds up errors and how technology can be abused - I'm always one of the last to adopt new technology, with good reasons that I know are shared by ex-colleagues and those still working in the industry.
 
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I see not reason to use Facebook due to many frivolous and inane comments posted by so called educated people. Obviously not all fall into this category. Of the 85 comments how many actually offered any input? Companies thet rely on Crapface for competitions etc I simply ignore and go elsewhere with my business.
 
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I do not use face book and do not know how to but I suppose that one day I will have to get my grandaughter to show me but until then I will continue to use the forum.
The only other forum that I post to is Swift Talk
 
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I'm on the forum only, not a member of the PC Facebook group - the same is true of my other hobbies, I follow them the fora but not FB. I am on FB but I restrict it to personal stuff. The reasons for me are simple -
1) I can read the forum at work in my teabreak (as indeed I'm doing now) but FB is blocked on the work computers
2) In any forum there's vast amounts of stuff I'm not interested in and couldn't usefully contribute to, as well as the nuggets that I am or can - reading them forum stylee makes it much easier to filter.
 
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Dont get me wrong, I am not against facebook or advances in technology. I actually use it more than any other social media, so much so I now have my 72 year old dad as an example using it when ever he goes away, posting photos etc so all the family can see their adventures virtually in real time.

I was just amazed at the difference in responce numbers.
Yes we all like to see peoples responces when we put a post on the forum, but off late it has been very quiet.

I am happy that at least the forum is giving the editorial staff ideas to use on facebook, which does show the importance of the forum, and as a member I can post topics, unlike facebook wherby I can only post answers to questions asked.

As I was trying to intimate in my original post, im just wondering how to attract new members to the forum to keep it alive, and re engage past members whom have driffted away, otherwise it just seems to spiral, ie go on, no new posts, goto another forum, dont bother looking back as there will probably be no new posts.

The enjoyment ive had and information gleemed over the years has been invaluable, but in relation to the new media ie facebook can the forum not be promoted more to aid participation and ultimately lead to more posts / articles in the Magazine.

If so how can we all as members help matters?

Just a few ideas.
Post more topics ourselves? Thinking of questions which might benefit the readers at large and stimulate greater responce.
When answering a post dont be negative against somebody elses opinion, be open minded and encouraging of new veiws.
Just because a question has been asked before, still reply, Yes repeating yourself, but passing on welcomed advise to perhaps a newcomer whom doesnt know how to search.

I know its the quieter time of year, however with the nec next week and the launch of all the new vans, there must be plenty of points people would like to discuss.

Just looking to plant a seed in peoples mind, and get them thinking and hopefully posting, lets give facebook a run for its money lol

Cheers
John
 
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Good points John.
As an old dog I joined Facebook and then cancelled.
Every Tom Dick and Harry wanted to be my friend including scantily clad ladies.SWMBO was not amused.
If F'book could be used like a forum I may have anotber go.But all these wannabe friends???
 
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IMHO PC do not promote this forum enough. Most of us that post on here have been around for several years and have met up with one another at some point so there is personal interaction.
 
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I joined Twitter last year but after a couple of weeks decided to cancel it and revert to SMS FaceTime imessaging and email. Then when my son heard we were going to India just on our own to tour around he suggested I join Facebook. Well my daughter absolutely refused my 'offer to be her friend' but my grandson and his partner accepted. Then I started to get lots of friend requests from all their own social contacts and thrice daily notifications. So since our family generally have no problem communicating the Facebook account tends to only be used to view website of those companies that are too blinkered to remember that there are potential customers out there that may not have or want Facebook. Regarding our sons need for contact whilst away in India well phones and Internet cafes will have to suffice assuming we find the time to use them!!!
 
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forums or facebook eh, well I think I will stick with the forum, ok so facebook is the new media judging by the number of people with there noses glued to a phone screen no matter where they are, at least with the forum, its a half hour a day look to catch up instead of the constant phone tinkles telling you theres a new item from your 1000's of "friends" out there with some sort of trivia to report.
twitter is another one who cares, saw and advert the other day think it was IKEA, follow us on twitter??? WHY it's a shop gawds sake!!
 
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I have to say I use this forum and Facebook. Generally if there is something posted on the FB page of PC which interests me, I then look on the forums here as a more comprehensive follow up. Thanks to Stacie, who saw my comments on FB, I won star letter last month! I don't always have to time to spend on the computer - I, too, work part time and have a family, but even if I don't post on here very often, I still drop in at least twice a week!
 

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RogerL said:
Internet sites will all go the same way and
become "us & them" as those resistant to the relentless march of
technology simply ignore new media methods and continue with older ways
that still work.

"Change is inevitable, progress is optional"
Surfer said:
IMHO PC do not promote this forum enough. Most of us that post on here have been around for several years and have met up with one another at some point so there is personal interaction.
colin-yorkshire said:
forums or facebook eh, well I think I
will stick with the forum, ok so facebook is the new media judging by
the number of people with there noses glued to a phone screen no matter
where they are............

It's not really a question of 'us and them', many of us use this and other internet forums and we also use Facebook, but in a different way to an internet forum, and so does Practical Caravan.
I can fully understand why many people dislike or distrust Facebook, personally speaking I manage the settings of my own profile so that I only receive what I want to receive so it works for me, but each to their own.
While more promotion and attention for this website and forum is always welcome, Practical Caravan unfailingly include extracts from forum topics in every issue and the forum and website is advertised in the magazine.
It's true that this forum goes quiet from time to time, but other caravan related forum administrators can focus entirely on their forums and websites and constantly improve them because that is their raison d'etre, whereas the core business of Practical Caravan is the production of their monthly magazine rather than the forum which is very much a sideline.
Unfortunately there is at present no Haymarket staffer who is responsible for improving and promoting this website and moderators do not have full access to the software which could iron out glitches even if we had the time to take on such a task on a voluntary basis.
We've rid this forum of keyboard warriors, we do our best to keep the spammers away and without further support from Haymarket there's not a lot more that Damian and myself can do, we can't force people to use our forum.
In these austere times Haymarket have to keep an eye on their budget, which means that everyone at Haymarket is fully employed in producing and selling the magazine which may be why we don't get much attention from PCv.
There are many times when technical questions on the PCv Facebook page go unanswered, if I see them I answer them or refer them to this forum where they can usually receive real time help from the real caravan experts so the Facebook thing is very much a case of swings and roundabouts depending on the question that is being asked.
I might have to start nicking topics from FB to generate a bit of forum interest
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The number of replies to a question seems to me less important than the quality of the reply and the amount of experience behind it. In more than 8 years as a forum member I have rarely been disappointed in the quality of contributions, along with the generally excellent way they have been expressed - touches of humour, appreciation etc.

Much of the social media has a poor record for the security of client list data ande an unwillingness to control content in the public interest viz the child porn related probems of a few months ago.

Until these issues are demonstrably resolved I shall not be joining any of the various systems
 
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On tonight's caravan Programme almost exclusively run by members of PC, John Wickersham said his goodbye and invited us all to contact him / the mag on Facebook or Twitter.
Sadly no mention of the Forum
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I hope he and Rob Ganley take on Ray's wise words.
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I will stick with the forum. My wife joined facebook and evryone and his dog wanted to be friends and forever getting e mails on various subjects and more friends requests from people we have never heard of. She gave up but the e mails still come. I am happy with the limited numbers on the forum and see no reason to join Facebook or Twitter. People who do use it should beware of publishing too much information about themselves as this can be a security risk.
 

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My guess is that beheadings are highly unlikely to be shown on the Practical Caravan Facebook page but you never know........
 

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