Gas Water Heating

[Dustydog]

Any one used one of these?
A chap has fitted one to his Bailey Senator. Only gas heated, not electricity.

iMass Instantaneous Water Heater

iMass Instantaneous Water Heater This mobile instantaneous water heater IWH-1.5 E, is the latest innovation in Europe and it has CE approval. It guarantees an instant and unlimited supply of hot water in Caravans, Motorhomes and Horseboxes without any preheating. A comfort that you normally only...

camperinteriors.co.uk

 

[ProfJohnL]

I note it is not rated for LPG at 30mBar, and the fittings are imperial suggesting its designed for the USA not European markets . It does not display a CE mark for Europe or the UKCA mark for the UK approvals number on any of the images.

It suspect it has not been approved for use in the UK touring caravans.

 

[otherclive]

Looks to be an interesting piece of kit.I assume that the chap who has fitted one is happy with its performance.

 

[Dustydog]

Looks to be an interesting piece of kit.I assume that the chap who has fitted one is happy with its performance.

He is Clive . He’s a gas engineer. I was curious but like the Prof says it’s probably not going to be a straight forward fit. I wonder how a caravan Insurer would view it? Good idea but I would not abandon my dual fuel, Gas and 230v.

 

[Jcloughie]

I note it is not rated for LPG at 30mBar, and the fittings are imperial suggesting its designed for the USA not European markets . It does not display a CE mark for Europe or the UKCA mark for the UK approvals number on any of the images.

It suspect it has not been approved for use in the UK touring caravans.

The blurb says 30mBar and CE approved.

John

 

[otherclive]

It has been in use in the US for a while and you can find references to it from 2018. It is produced by a German company see below. Okay for those with Translate:

https://imass-gmbh.com/

 

[Dustydog]

I did the OP for two reasons

1. New unknown products coming to market that may be useful in U.K.

2. Are we happy caravan and appliance manufacturers are really giving the punter the best?

Our day centre minibus, has a mini diesel space heater . It’s brilliant , hardly uses any fuel and virtually instant warmth for our elderly . One for a caravan maybe??

 

[otherclive]

I did the OP for two reasons

1. New unknown products coming to market that may be useful in U.K.

2. Are we happy caravan and appliance manufacturers are really giving the punter the best?

Our day centre minibus, has a mini diesel space heater . It’s brilliant , hardly uses any fuel and virtually instant warmth for our elderly . One for a caravan maybe??

Agreed with your comments. Although like you I do prefer the duality of having both gas and electric for water and space heating. But I can see applications for Imass. Doesn’t the Toureg have a diesel space heater? My old VW411 had a petrol one. Kept neighbours awake when it came on in winter mornings.

 

[Dustydog]

Agreed with your comments. Although like you I do prefer the duality of having both gas and electric for water and space heating. But I can see applications for Imass. Doesn’t the Toureg have a diesel space heater? My old VW411 had a petrol one. Kept neighbours awake when it came on in winter mornings.

Earlier Touaregs, not mine had an option for a Webasto diesel heater .Mainly for the far Northern Scandinavian markets. The one on our MB minibus is virtually silent

 

[ProfJohnL]

... like the Prof says it’s probably not going to be a straight forward fit....

I never said that.

 

[Dustydog]

I never said that.

Apologies. You didn’t say that but this
“It suspect it has not been approved for use in the UK touring caravans.”
I also interpreted your points about imperial fittings to mean fitting would not be straight forward

 

[Buckman]

We had something similar for instant hot water in our home for the shower. It had a pilot flame on permanently and as you opened the hot water tap, it would flame up and provide the hot water. It was brilliant.

 

[Jcloughie]

We had something similar for instant hot water in our home for the shower. It had a pilot flame on permanently and as you opened the hot water tap, it would flame up and provide the hot water. It was brilliant.

[IMG alt="Ascot gas water heater.
Photographed on display in the Gas gallery."]https://coimages.sciencemuseumgroup...7_GG_1991_122_38_Ascot_water_heater.jpg[/IMG]
We used to have one, Picture from the science museum. Note, flued internally!

John

 

[otherclive]

[IMG alt="Ascot gas water heater.
Photographed on display in the Gas gallery."]https://coimages.sciencemuseumgroup...7_GG_1991_122_38_Ascot_water_heater.jpg[/IMG]
We used to have one, Picture from the science museum. Note, flued internally!

John

The link is denying access. But years ago when we had a flat we had one of those. Never really trusted it so always kept windows opened when using it.

 

[ProfJohnL]

The old Ascot geyser water heaters used what was called an "open flue" which meant the there was no barrier to prevent the flue gasses from entering the room in which the heater was installed. It wa also the reason why the open flued heaters were implicated in several deaths, because either a flue blockage, or a restricted air intake into the room would cause the flue gasses to fill the room - usually bathrooms where users didn't like having windows open or direct ventilation bricks when bathing.

The pictures of the Imass suggest its a balanced flue and air intake, which should not suffer the same problems of the Ascot's open flue, plus it claims to have a "Highly efficient exhaust blower" which suggest it blown combustion.

The British Standards Institute tell us
"UKCA marking is effective in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) from 1 January 2021, so if you place gas appliances or associated fittings on the market in Great Britain you will need to affix the UKCA marking (although CE marking will also be recognized for most products until the end of 2021)."

Since the end 2021 it would be illegal to sell or fit any new (unused) gas appliance that does not have UKCA approval. CE approval is no longer valid in the UK.

 

[otherclive]

The old Ascot geyser water heaters used what was called an "open flue" which meant the there was no barrier to prevent the flue gasses from entering the room in which the heater was installed. It wa also the reason why the open flued heaters were implicated in several deaths, because either a flue blockage, or a restricted air intake into the room would cause the flue gasses to fill the room - usually bathrooms where users didn't like having windows open or direct ventilation bricks when bathing.

The pictures of the Imass suggest its a balanced flue and air intake, which should not suffer the same problems of the Ascot's open flue, plus it claims to have a "Highly efficient exhaust blower" which suggest it blown combustion.

The British Standards Institute tell us
"UKCA marking is effective in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) from 1 January 2021, so if you place gas appliances or associated fittings on the market in Great Britain you will need to affix the UKCA marking (although CE marking will also be recognized for most products until the end of 2021)."

Since the end 2021 it would be illegal to sell or fit any new (unused) gas appliance that does not have UKCA approval. CE approval is no longer valid in the UK.

I wonder if the requirements to achieve UKCA are the same as achieving CE. I just think that it’s only increasing costs to the manufacturer which will only be passed on to the consumer, or the manufacturer if overseas decides not to bother supplying the UK market. Which then reduces our choice of product and reduces competition.
The deadline for complete transition for new products sold in U.K. is 31 December 2024.

Using the UKCA marking

Find out if you need to use the UKCA (UK Conformity Assessed) marking on products you manufacture or handle.

www.gov.uk

 

[Dustydog]

I wonder if the requirements to achieve UKCA are the same as achieving CE. I just think that it’s only increasing costs to the manufacturer which will only be passed on to the consumer, or the manufacturer if overseas decides not to bother supplying the UK market. Which then reduces our choice of product and reduces competition.

Very confusing!
HMG says “ The UKCA marking can be used now. However, to provide businesses with flexibility, the government will bring forward legislation that would continue to allow recognition of the CE marking and the reversed epsilon marking for most goods that are being placed on the market, or put into service before 11pm on 31 December 2024. You should check the sector specific set of regulations that apply to your product.

 

[otherclive]

Very confusing!
HMG says “ The UKCA marking can be used now. However, to provide businesses with flexibility, the government will bring forward legislation that would continue to allow recognition of the CE marking and the reversed epsilon marking for most goods that are being placed on the market, or put into service before 11pm on 31 December 2024. You should check the sector specific set of regulations that apply to your product.

Yet more bureaucracy for businesses to deal with.

 

[Dustydog]

Yet more bureaucracy for businesses to deal with.

Tell our MPs? Civil Servants? Ridiculous 🤮🤮

 

[Dustydog]

Strange how certain factors get blamed for everything that goes wrong.
Brexit? Covid and Lockdown?
Ukraine?
Illegals crossing the Channel?
All are a fit all excuse but possibly the real truth lies elsewhere?

 

[RogerL]

Earlier Touaregs, not mine had an option for a Webasto diesel heater .Mainly for the far Northern Scandinavian markets. The one on our MB minibus is virtually silent

Later Touaregs had an option for the Eberspacher diesel heater - my Touareg has it, great on a frosty morning to warm the cabin and defrost the windows before I go out - once the engine is started the warm coolant circulates around the engine as well and actually seems to improve the fuel consumption - which is of course higher in winter.