Did anyone else hear the piece on Radio 4 Friday aft about the doctor who was gassed in his motorhome and then robbed, this in France.There were several attacks in the same area and the French police did take it seriously. It was apparently a different gas to any used in the past and he said the only safe thing was to install something to measure a drop in oxygen in the air.????Does anyone know anything about this and is there such an instrument? This is scary, I realise the only thing to do is to take sensible precautions and then just do your thing, don't let these few morons spoil things for the majority.
Gassed and then robbed....
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This sort of thing is not new and there have recently been reports of the same going on, of all places, in Sweden.
A gas detector is not the ideal solution as it will of course only work after the attack has already taken place. A much better solution is to avoid spending the night on service areas or by the roadside as all gas attacks seem to take place there. I have never heard of reports of the same taking place on campsites so spending the night there is a much better idea as it avoids the potential problem in the first place.
A gas detector is not the ideal solution as it will of course only work after the attack has already taken place. A much better solution is to avoid spending the night on service areas or by the roadside as all gas attacks seem to take place there. I have never heard of reports of the same taking place on campsites so spending the night there is a much better idea as it avoids the potential problem in the first place.
You could of course do what the miners used to do in the olden days and buy a Canary....(apologies to any caged bird society members)
Seriously though I wholeheartedly agree with Lutz. These reports are regular summertime news stories......stay on a campsite, enjoy the peace and tranquility (that the roadside cannot offer) and relax.
Seriously though I wholeheartedly agree with Lutz. These reports are regular summertime news stories......stay on a campsite, enjoy the peace and tranquility (that the roadside cannot offer) and relax.
A spokesman for the Royal College of Surgeons said on radio 5 live that if there was such a gas available then the NHS would be using it as there would be no need for an anaesthetist in case of over dosing. It must be a fairly harmless gas as all that it does is put you to sleep with no other side effects. IF there is such a gas then it unknown in the UK. We have met two couples who were robbed, one who was very tired and was alerted by the movement of the thief.The other said he had been gassed, woke up found that money etc had been taken and then went back to sleep until his usual waking time. He would not let me look at his caravan door to see how they gained entry. Personally I think that have had a long driving day and are sound asleep when robbed.
Regarding gas atacks,this has been going on now for at least 10 years and a contributer who is a hospital anaesthetist said that he finds it hard to believe that someone on the outside a vehicle could know how much to inject owing to the natural vents in the units to garuantee that the occupants would be asleep..So is there anybody on the Forum qualified to add there comments.
These robbers must be really nieve, they have this
speicial gas that they could sell for milions
instead they just rob for hundreds!!!
speicial gas that they could sell for milions
instead they just rob for hundreds!!!
The debate has been going on for yonks. The two best of all comments came in this latest run on the theam, Lutz and best of all Giovanni. I award you the 'Why did I not think of that' award of the year.
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How about this:
It's a response to a letter from Mr. Brian Kirby of O&A forums addressed to the Royal College of Anaethetists.
"Since this debate rattles on from time to time, with much deliberation over how and what, I thought I'd try to get an expert view on the feasibility of using narcotic gases to knock out the occupants of motorhomes/caravans.
Since they do this all the time, so to speak, I thought I'd ask the Royal College of Anaesthetists. Somewhat to my surprise, they provided the following reply. Interesting isn't it? Sleep tight folks!
Dear Mr Kirby,
Thank you for your enquiry. I would like to inform you that you are not the first enquirer with this question. Professor Hatch, our Clinical Advisor, has given the following previous comments:
"I can give you a categorical assurance that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious with ether without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect of the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a rag, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day.
There are much more powerful agents around now, some of which are almost odourless. However, these would be unlikely to be able to achieve the effect you describe, and the cost would be huge enough to deter any thief unless he was after the crown jewels. The only practicable agent is probably the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege - I advised the BBC on their programme about this. The general feeling is that they used an agent which is not available outside the KGB!
Finally, unsupervised anaesthesia, which is what we are really talking about is very dangerous. In the Moscow siege about 20% of victims died from asphyxia, because their airways were unprotected. If the reports you talk about are true I would have expected a significant number of deaths or cases of serious brain damage to have been reported."
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Regards,
Ms Shirani Nadarajah
General Administrator
Professional Standards Directorate
The Royal College of Anaesthetists""
It's a response to a letter from Mr. Brian Kirby of O&A forums addressed to the Royal College of Anaethetists.
"Since this debate rattles on from time to time, with much deliberation over how and what, I thought I'd try to get an expert view on the feasibility of using narcotic gases to knock out the occupants of motorhomes/caravans.
Since they do this all the time, so to speak, I thought I'd ask the Royal College of Anaesthetists. Somewhat to my surprise, they provided the following reply. Interesting isn't it? Sleep tight folks!
Dear Mr Kirby,
Thank you for your enquiry. I would like to inform you that you are not the first enquirer with this question. Professor Hatch, our Clinical Advisor, has given the following previous comments:
"I can give you a categorical assurance that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious with ether without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect of the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a rag, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day.
There are much more powerful agents around now, some of which are almost odourless. However, these would be unlikely to be able to achieve the effect you describe, and the cost would be huge enough to deter any thief unless he was after the crown jewels. The only practicable agent is probably the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege - I advised the BBC on their programme about this. The general feeling is that they used an agent which is not available outside the KGB!
Finally, unsupervised anaesthesia, which is what we are really talking about is very dangerous. In the Moscow siege about 20% of victims died from asphyxia, because their airways were unprotected. If the reports you talk about are true I would have expected a significant number of deaths or cases of serious brain damage to have been reported."
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Regards,
Ms Shirani Nadarajah
General Administrator
Professional Standards Directorate
The Royal College of Anaesthetists""
Hi, we've been gassed a few times but always put it down to too much garlic the night before.
Chris
Chris
I have a gas/ ether alarm that I bought on Ebay.
Whilst on holiday on a site in France this year it went off. I grabbed the baseball bat and charged half asleep down the caravan to confront a thief. Standing by the door tempting the barsteward to come in I realised that it was not the gas alarm but the smoke alarm that had decided to go into fault mode.
Luckely I had only used double sided fixing pads so it came down easily & was muffled.
Glad no one else heard it.
oopps
Graham W.
Whilst on holiday on a site in France this year it went off. I grabbed the baseball bat and charged half asleep down the caravan to confront a thief. Standing by the door tempting the barsteward to come in I realised that it was not the gas alarm but the smoke alarm that had decided to go into fault mode.
Luckely I had only used double sided fixing pads so it came down easily & was muffled.
Glad no one else heard it.
oopps
Graham W.
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