Hi everyone I've just registered

[mht2953]

I have just bought a Bailey pageant series 5 and found there are no brakes on it any ideas how I find out what kit to buy

 

[Raywood]

Welcome to the forum. Before anyone can answer the question you need to know what the problem is. The caravan is fitted with overrun brakes that are actuated by the caravan pushing against the car when you brake so the fault could be there. The caravan should have a conventional braking system in the wheel hub and if the fault is there you would need to strip this down to see what the problem is. The caravan will have one shot bolts which need to be replaced if you do this.
I do wonder though if you ask this question if you have the knowledge to do the job but if so a Haynes Caravan manual might be your best bet.

 

[mht2953]

Thanks for getting back. A mobile caravan man is doing the job. In the process of doing a service on the caravan we just purchased he found the brakes had been taken out and he's trying to find out part numbers ect so he can get a new kit.

 

[otherclive]

Wow that’s a literal meaning to the phrase ‘No brakes’. That’s a first for me. If you look on the axle then in the middle normally on the rear face you should see an axle makers plate Alko or BPW which should give the axle details. Then you could contact the axle maker to see if they supply parts.

 

[Thingy]

How did you get it home?

 

[audiorob]

Well that's very odd! Most vehicles have a very low UNbraked trailer capacity, and could only legally tow the bailey as a braked trailer. Is there any explanation as to why brake parts had been removed? The previous writer has described the overrun mechanism - as the car brakes the caravan hitch mechanism compresses and applies the caravan brakes. If reversing the mechanism is disabled as clearly you don't want the brakes applied to the caravan as the car pushes and compresses the mechanism. So when parking the van on site always finish by pulling the caravan forward a bit to extend the mechanism allow the handbrake to work normally. Good luck with your new purchase and hope there are no other surprises to be discovered!

 

[mht2953]

I towed it unaware there were no brakes on it and ony found out when having it serviced.

 

[mht2953]

I've spoken to the seller tpday who said he had the caravan for two years and was unaware of the brakes missing ,which I find a bit hard to accept as he said he had towed it regularly. He could offer no explanation as yo why the brakes were missing.

 

[mht2953]

thanks I'll get on to it

 

[Damian]

There are 3 sizes of Al-Ko brakes:
1. 1637 for brakes with a drum diameter of 160mm
2. 2050 and 2051 for brakes with a drum diameter of 200mm
3. 2361 for brakes with a drum diameter of 230mm

 

[Raywood]

Never thought someone would remove the brakes and cannot understand why. I would have thought any Bailey agent could identify the size needed and supply the parts though.

 

[Bingle]

The previous owner of my Sprite Cadet Mk2 actually disconnected the brake actuator and said he preferred it that way! (Under 400 kg unladen, though).

 

[ProfJohnL]

Thanks for getting back. A mobile caravan man is doing the job. In the process of doing a service on the caravan we just purchased he found the brakes had been taken out and he's trying to find out part numbers ect so he can get a new kit.

In much the same way that Raywood was concerned if you were trying to do the job, I am amazed that the Caravan Engineer needed your help to find out what size of brakes it needs. I am now concerned that your engineer may not be competent.

It should go without saying that brakes are a most important safety device for you and your family, you need to have confidence that the job is being done correctly.

 

[Raywood]

Thanks for getting back. A mobile caravan man is doing the job. In the process of doing a service on the caravan we just purchased he found the brakes had been taken out and he's trying to find out part numbers ect so he can get a new kit.

In much the same way that Raywood was concerned if you were trying to do the job, I am amazed that the Caravan Engineer needed your help to find out what size of brakes it needs. I am now concerned that your engineer may not be competent.

It should go without saying that brakes are a most important safety device for you and your family, you need to have confidence that the job is being done correctly.

Good point.

 

[CustardAvenger]

The previous owner of my Sprite Cadet Mk2 actually disconnected the brake actuator and said he preferred it that way! (Under 400 kg unladen, though).

I know why... my Cadet would seemingly apply its brakes only under hard braking, such as on a motorway exit slip, resulting in a sudden shove to the car as the over-run device compressed. Would get quite annoying!

 

[Dustydog]

mht2953. A warm welcome to the forum.
Well my boy I think you have left us all speechless :woohoo:
Never ever have I heard of someone removing the braking system :silly:
I can only assume something happened like brakes binding and getting burnt out. The then owner, being an ignorant cheap skate , may have removed the debris and sold the caravan on to some unsuspecting decent punter.
What is the condition of the drums!
I had a Bailey Pageant 5. Very popular. So I too am surprised your engineer is struggling :huh:
Quite frankly whoever did this is a brain dead criminal!

 

[Hutch]

I must admit this a bizarre thing, but remember it't Mht asking about kit numbers for brakes , not his mobile engineer.

 

[mht2953]

Hi all thankyou very much for all the interest in this I'm pleased to say it has been resolved and we towed it from Garstang to Whitby and back all was fine we had a great weekend. One more point of note the idiot who stripped the brakes out reused the one shot nuts on the hubs.

 

[Raywood]

Good to hear you have got the brakes back. Given the strange things done I would check everything else carefully.

 

[ericmark]

We had a caravan which was lent to some one who damaged the brakes, we had two other caravans at the time, and some one came knocking the door of my son offering to buy it, since surplice to requirements we said yes sell, the buyer was told brakes faulty, we expected he would either repair before taking or use a car trailer, but he simply towed it without brakes.
Some where near Bala he came from, once paid for we could not stop him towing it only option would be phone Police which did seem a bit sneaky so we didn't.
However as yet no MOT for caravans, so we really don't know how good or bad the brakes are, with old caravans one could try reversing without reversing stop in place that would test them, but there is really no way to test brakes on a modern caravan, OK can test hand brake but that does not really test over run brakes.