comon john the car scenario was a bit over the top,i didn't mean it in that context,lots of places like storage have disclaimers,car parks,holiday parks you name it at the end of the day i agree with you there should be no quibble they should be insured and should not be allowed to provide such a service until they have insurance.like you said its having the evidence and a long drawn out affair,solicitors,court not to forget the cost of such a claim would it be worth it,theoretically yes,practically few would go there