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Thanks for the info, MADS have told me the springs for the R Design are complete replacements as the auxiliary ones proved to be a problem on the Volvo XC60.
They should hold your ride height as per standard and with their progressive spring rate should then “ stiffen” up more as the cars load increases. Be interested to hear how you find them towing and solo.
 
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They should hold your ride height as per standard and with their progressive spring rate should then “ stiffen” up more as the cars load increases. Be interested to hear how you find them towing and solo.
I will keep you informed
Cheers
Dave
 
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Help Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I tow a Coachman 575 VIP with a FWD Volvo XC60 R Design. when the Caravan is fully loaded, the nose weight is about 85Kilos, and with the car fully loaded, my jockey wheel clearance from the road is about 6"
I have experienced the jokey wheel grounding on bumpy roads, which is worrying.
does anyone have any advice they could offer, I considered fitting a drop plate, and raising the tow ball a couple of inches believing this may help, but my local tow bar installer said it may be illegal
could anyone advise please?
Thanks
Dave Kirk
I would Like to thank everyone who helped me out with their knowledge and great advise, my new MADS springs arrived yesterday, and my local Garage fitted them in half an hour. It has raised the tow ball up by 3" making it 21" from the ground before putting the caravan on or loading the car.
I recon that should sort out my problem now.
The car drives differently on its own, a bit stiffer but nice feeling, and seems to hug the road a bit better.
Many Thanks again.
Kindest Regards

Dave Kirk
 
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3 inches is massive!

About 8 years ago I had a Peugeot 4007 (Mitsubishi Outlander). It didn’t ground but tended to bounce. Even with the original low profile tyres on 19 inch wheels.

MAD assisters, in my case, made a world of difference. Also fitting the standard 16 inch wheels. However, they did not noticeably, lift the rear end.

The XC 60 always has the appearance, IMO, of being high at the rear. Another 3 inches would look odd, or not?

I will be interested in how it tows now.

John
 
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I would Like to thank everyone who helped me out with their knowledge and great advise, my new MADS springs arrived yesterday, and my local Garage fitted them in half an hour. It has raised the tow ball up by 3" making it 21" from the ground before putting the caravan on or loading the car.
I recon that should sort out my problem now.
The car drives differently on its own, a bit stiffer but nice feeling, and seems to hug the road a bit better.
Many Thanks again.
Kindest Regards

Dave Kirk
Given the height of the towball that you gave 3 inches would probabky put you over the specified dimensions of height above the ground for a loaded car’s towball.. Three inches unloaded difference is massive and unless you have a typo I would say there is something seriously wrong with the cars suspension such that I would be concerned wrt to its driving safety. I would spend £1000+ to get that extra clearance on an off road car. But not a road car.
 
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I’d be getting the caravan hooked up to see what it all looks like before coming to any conclusions.

Kev
 
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I’d be getting the caravan hooked up to see what it all looks like before coming to any conclusions.

Kev
Iv never know MAD springs be they assisters or replacements give a three inch solo lift. The HD springs for Skoda Superb used in rough road countries like India or Russia only gave 0.75 inches extra ride height but a more progressive rate under load. With that increase in solo unloaded height there could be negative interactions with the cars sensor activated safety systems.
 
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Iv never know MAD springs be they assisters or replacements give a three inch solo lift. The HD springs for Skoda Superb used in rough road countries like India or Russia only gave 0.75 inches extra ride height but a more progressive rate under load. With that increase in solo unloaded height there could be negative interactions with the cars sensor activated safety systems.
I would have thought it would also go beyond the shock absorber limit.

Perhaps it's 3 cm, but that is still a lot in the circumstances.

John
 
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I can't help but echo the concerns already raised about the degree of lift the Mad units have created. This should be a wake up call becasue there must have been something wrong with the car in its original condition.

Except for a few specialised vehicles like some utility 4x4's , all car that are type approved to tow ( the car has a GTW figure on its weight plate) when used with the correct towbar should support the trailer hitch within the EU's specification of 350 to 420mm.

If it doesn't then that is an indicator that something is fundamentally wrong .

However if the car has already been modified (for example an after market lowered suspension) then that can cause problems.

Another possibility is that the incorrect tow bar has been illegally fitted. In this case it could be that a standard XC60 towbar has been fitted, when there might be there is a special version for the XC60R.

And especially with more recent cars, it has already been mentioned that some use sensors on the suspension to inform on safety limits. By artificially raising or lowering a car might well disrupt the signals and render some of the safety systems to malfunction and not necessarily in a good way.

I strongly suggest going back to the beginning and find out why the systems is so low.
 
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I can't help but echo the concerns already raised about the degree of lift the Mad units have created. This should be a wake up call becasue there must have been something wrong with the car in its original condition.

Except for a few specialised vehicles like some utility 4x4's , all car that are type approved to tow ( the car has a GTW figure on its weight plate) when used with the correct towbar should support the trailer hitch within the EU's specification of 350 to 420mm.

If it doesn't then that is an indicator that something is fundamentally wrong .

However if the car has already been modified (for example an after market lowered suspension) then that can cause problems.

Another possibility is that the incorrect tow bar has been illegally fitted. In this case it could be that a standard XC60 towbar has been fitted, when there might be there is a special version for the XC60R.

And especially with more recent cars, it has already been mentioned that some use sensors on the suspension to inform on safety limits. By artificially raising or lowering a car might well disrupt the signals and render some of the safety systems to malfunction and not necessarily in a good way.

I strongly suggest going back to the beginning and find out why the systems is so low.

Prof'

My Subaru takes its input to the self levelling HID headlights from its rear suspension position.
 
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It is quite possible, although I don't think it would represent any more that having three adults in the back and perhaps a bit of luggage, I had the tow bar fitted by our local reputable company, its a Witter I think, the outfit have fitted a total of six for me over the years.
I am confident the rear springs are in good order.
For the record I found the following on a Autocar review

Suspension and ride comfort

...R-Design trim has lowered suspension that's slightly firmer, but the difference isn't huge...
Hi David,

I also share the concerns of others on this thread as to the suspension on your car.

Google tells me that the AutoCar 'What Car?' review you quoted is for the Mk2 XC60 [2017-] so is not relevant as this is an all-new car. My knowledge/experience is for the MK1 [2008-2017].

A 2013 Volvo press release (Which one assumes preceded the 2014 facelift) confirms that S60&V60 cars had lowered suspension for R-Design spec, but XC60 had a only a tweaked chassis, but if anything your car should be better at towing a caravan:

The XC60 R-Design chassis is also stiffer than the standard car and has more dynamic driving properties - without compromising ride comfort. The shock absorber springs and anti-roll bars are adjusted and tuned to be firmer and more balanced. The result is improved control and a sportier, road-hugging drive.
I would personally have taken the car to a Volvo dealer for inspection.

The XC 60 always has the appearance, IMO, of being high at the rear. Another 3 inches would look odd, or not?
You're right; but I think the cargo area side window doesn't help, as it angles up and makes the rear 3/4 panel larger!
 
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When I had MAD's unit fitted to my 2008 Santa Fe, there was no difference to the height of the tow bar, but the caravan didn't, hit speed bumps or the ferry ramps. On my 2014 Santa Fe the Witter tow bar would twist down, causing the caravan to hit speed bumps with the Jockey Wheel, sorted by changing the tow bar to a TowTrust one.
 
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I would Like to thank everyone who helped me out with their knowledge and great advise, my new MADS springs arrived yesterday, and my local Garage fitted them in half an hour. It has raised the tow ball up by 3" making it 21" from the ground before putting the caravan on or loading the car.
I recon that should sort out my problem now.
The car drives differently on its own, a bit stiffer but nice feeling, and seems to hug the road a bit better.
Many Thanks again.
Kindest Regards

Dave Kirk
Thanks for the in everyone, I have only driven the car without the caravan connected at the moment, but I am due to tow it down to the west country on Monday. I did have the suspension checked by my main dealer, and they said the original springs were fine, and my R Design model was slightly lower than a standard xc60, mine is a 2016 model.
I must say I was surprised at a 3" lift making my towball 508mm to the
centre of the ball unloaded.
once loaded it should drop a bit, but I am not sure how much.
I have been incorrectly measuring the tow ball at the top of the ball not the centre.
it is now definitely a lot stiffer now, but I am hoping that when loaded it will not bounce so much on very bumpy roads.
I suppose the keep the stiffer suspension, and get the tow ball back to a slightly lower level, I could always fit a drop plate to drop it down a couple of inches.
I am not sure that a tow ball at 533mm is legal!
any more views would be very much appreciated

Thank You everyone. MADS.JPGmads2.JPG
 
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Thanks for the in everyone, I have only driven the car without the caravan connected at the moment, but I am due to tow it down to the west country on Monday. I did have the suspension checked by my main dealer, and they said the original springs were fine, and my R Design model was slightly lower than a standard xc60, mine is a 2016 model.
I must say I was surprised at a 3" lift making my towball 533mm unloaded.
once loaded it should drop a bit, but I am not sure how much.
it is now definitely a lot stiffer now, but I am hoping that when loaded it will not bounce so much on very bumpy roads.
I suppose the keep the stiffer suspension, and get the tow ball back to a slightly lower level, I could always fit a drop plate to drop it down a couple of inches.
I am not sure that a tow ball at 533mm is legal!
any more views would be very much appreciated

Thank You everyone.
I understand that the specs for the height of the towball center posted above relate to the loaded car prior to hitching up. Including passengers and driver
 
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Given the height of the towball that you gave 3 inches would probabky put you over the specified dimensions of height above the ground for a loaded car’s towball.. Three inches unloaded difference is massive and unless you have a typo I would say there is something seriously wrong with the cars suspension such that I would be concerned wrt to its driving safety. I would spend £1000+ to get that extra clearance on an off road car. But not a road car.
Isn't the XC supposed to be vehicle that can be used off road?
 
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3” increase in height may adversely affect the shock absorber performance. Did your garage check them? If the front is still oem will that upset the handling characteristics?
 
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I understand that the specs for the height of the towball center posted above relate to the loaded car prior to hitching up. Including passengers and driver
I will be connecting the caravan to the fully loaded car Monday, and will report the Hight of the tow ball then.
 
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3” increase in height may adversely affect the shock absorber performance. Did your garage check them? If the front is still oem will that upset the handling characteristics?
Plus if the lights are HID or LED it will have a self levelling lighting function. Mine comes off a transducer on the rear suspension but the car does not have SL, only the headlights.
 
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I will be connecting the caravan to the fully loaded car Monday, and will report the Hight of the tow ball then.
Bu even so three inches increase for the solo unloaded height seems far too much. Even when I fitted Pedder uprated springs and shocks to my Pajero it only went up just over an inch, and some of that was recovering spring sag over its 15 year life. And that outfit only went on the rear. The front just had its torsion bars wound up and new shocks.

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Looks high now...
MADS.JPGosmium.jpg
An Approved Used 2017 XC60 in Osmium Grey with the same Ixion Alloys (images flipped - Couldn't tell if your car was Osmium or Savile Grey.)

xc60 RNS.jpg
Looks about an Inch higher now to my untrained eye compared to my XC60 SE on 17"s and maybe more compared to the identical car.

If the ride height has gone up 3" then someone must have lowered the suspension way more than any factory set up.
 
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Here is a picture of the Car with my Caravan hitched up, it is 80% loaded in the picture, plus my driveway is on a backward slope, but without my Wife and me in the car, the jockey wheel is clearing the drive by 8". The car hardly dropped at all when I hitched the Caravan on probably due to the strength of the new MADS.
it will be interesting to see how she handles on our trip tomorrow.
I think part of my problem was having our new Awning on board which is really heavy, plus plus a lot extra stuff in the car.
This time I have not got the heavy awning on board, but a much lighter porch awning. Caravan connected.JPG
 
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