i think you will find i was debating my point of view, but then became the topic of conversation, i have read the other posts, and similar comments to mine were said by other posts, so i do take offence , and do not intend to argue with anyone, and as a result of this will not be replying if anything else is said, , as i might be seen as the bad guy,(sorry meant to put girl,im female, maybe i had a blonde moment, no, my hairs brown, ) lifes too short, too much carravanning to be done...regards to all, ED