What do forum members think will happen to the UK caravan manufacturing industry now we are leaving the EU?
Leaving the EU
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Parksy
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With any luck our caravan industry will be able to expand their world market on more favourable terms than would otherwise have been the case. The August edition of PCv magazine (Showroom News page 63) has mentioned that major British caravan manufacturers are already looking at the possibilities of export to an expanding Chinese market, and Coachman already supplies caravans which are being bought by a developing recently affluent Chinese middle class.
Things should be looking up for most British manufacturing industries after the dust has settled, with a strong possibility of less regulation and the ability to negotiate our own trade deals on our own terms with any country that chooses to buy our products.
Things should be looking up for most British manufacturing industries after the dust has settled, with a strong possibility of less regulation and the ability to negotiate our own trade deals on our own terms with any country that chooses to buy our products.
No doubt they will increase prices, citing the cost of components they have to buy from European manufactures. What is unlikely to change is the terrible build quality! 
you might want to [if you haven't already] take the time and look up how complex trade deals are with differing nations ,and the fact everybody wants them on their own terms . I believe we even need to join the WTO world trade organisation and as of yet we don't even have a say on that.. "favourable terms" i suppose we can all dream of past glory years!Parksy said:
Parksy
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JonnyG said:
We pay our elected representative and civil servants quite handsomely to negotiate on our behalf Jonny, so the complexity of world trade deals is not something that is likely to keep me awake at night.
Talk of 'past glory years leaves me mystified, because any student of recent history will know that after the second world war Britain had paid a very heavy price indeed for our role as a bastion of freedom and democracy against oppression and this country was almost bankrupt.
We were not in any position to invest in the technology, often devised by British scientists in British universities and laboratories, that was necessary to compete with a Europe which, after being devastated by the ravages of war, was helped back to it's feet by the Marshall Plan. US financial aid packages awarded very generous financial assistance to reconstruct European industries in order to ensure that those who had elected the dictators who had initiated the conflict sought freedom and democracy through increasing prosperity for all, and to stem the tide of European Communism.
Britain received no financial aid whatsoever, in fact we repaid every penny that we owed to the US under the Lend Lease agreement and ceded many of our overseas assets to the US, thus helping them to achieve world hegemony that still exists to this day.
We opted to join the Common Market, which was defined as a co-operative tariff free trading block and which was eminently suitable for us, but this evolved into a Federal political union for which there had never been any mandate from British voters.
Apologies for the brief history lesson but the past glory years never existed!
Our glory years now lie ahead, we will once more shape our own destiny and trade with the world rather than with who we were once allowed to trade with.
Well done United Kingdom. We had the guts to have a referendum and we are now standing up and being counted.
The rest of Europe, some so far, are asking lots of questions and Italy want a referendum to bin the Euro , introduce a new currency or a Euro2.
France are on strike today as Mdme Le Pen wants France out and so does Sweden and Denmark. Germany is no longer sure.
Herr Kerber of the German CBI, insists all the German car makers will still sell to us with no penalties. He says Airbus will still buy wings , landing gear and jet engines from us.
We'll if they don't they will ruin their own industries.
Steve.
We are very happy dogs here in Wiltshire B)
The rest of Europe, some so far, are asking lots of questions and Italy want a referendum to bin the Euro , introduce a new currency or a Euro2.
France are on strike today as Mdme Le Pen wants France out and so does Sweden and Denmark. Germany is no longer sure.
Herr Kerber of the German CBI, insists all the German car makers will still sell to us with no penalties. He says Airbus will still buy wings , landing gear and jet engines from us.
We'll if they don't they will ruin their own industries.
Steve.
We are very happy dogs here in Wiltshire B)
don't believe everything you read on the internet news lines . just over 5 in 10 people wanted out here clearly no landslide there are other small parties in other countries also questioning things..but given the closeness of our referendum and the famous words of de gaulle we the UK are not Europeans and should never be allowed to join.. so any comparison to what has happened here and any other large EU nation following suit is wishful thinking by the tabloids .Dustydog said:
hi parsky thank you for the history lesson which i am already fully aware of. got carried away by all the talk on Facebook by the bretix brigade who thought the industrial revelation was our famed car industry of the 60s and the EU destroyed it... which brings me aptly to my 1970 annual now in the attic but was one of the more famed newpapers annual book... and the headline" we are kings of Europe producing in excess of 2 million cars per year we look forward to the next decade and continued growth..!!! we indeed have the 5th largest GDP in the world as measured by ones own currency 9th or 10 if the dollar is used with both Malaysia! and i believe Brazil! or someone else as unlikely ... i;m sure you are aware we have a huge service industry based in London ,manufacturing plants here in the main because of our membership of the EU ,of course they will not just go and leave but downsizing is extremely likely and the knock on effect 6 to 18 months later could be extremely damaging. sorry i'm going on and i could but we are in it together weather i like it or not.. so "civil service" umm when have they had the time to practice and actually brush up their market dealing skills? i thought they were too busy putting in amendments to British laws ! i keep hearing that the EU needs us just as much as we need them i believe that but its set in stone to deal in the EU you have to abide by what they want. no point saying no thats not true, every deal I've looked at Switzerland Norway South Korea Canada ect ect have to meet one thing or another heck Switzerland had to sign up to Shengan! we didn't whatever deal we get from the EU will not be as good as we had..and what of the time scales for us to sort out all the trade deals we are going to have to do? The Eu /Canadian trade deal has taken 7 years! yes OK blame the EU but 7 years to do a trade deal! ,we will have to make 10/ 20 odd trade deals they are not done overnight as you know. all the time the world is ever changing and any advantage we once might of had are disappearing slowly..i fear for my granddaughter's future ... better to be pessimistic and things turn out better than be optimistic and come crashing down to earth unprepared. and one last thing to consider ever unfriended someone you have known for years and years but see all the time? thats how the EU will see it no break up goes smoothly someone always suffer more pain when they feel betrayed and the consequences are ours.
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hi, sorry Jonny I could not disagree more, but then everyone has an opinion, and a vote, and while the majority was slim none the less the decision is made, I dare suggest that if the vote had gone the other way, by one single vote, the Europeans would be by now calling it a great victory, instead they are all very worried but why if the EU is so good for us, the fact is that it is better for them, than us, the UK has been a cash cow to be milked everyday, they even had the gaul to fine us a few billion because our economy was recovering better than the rest of Europe, [which by the way Cameron paid quietly once the noise died down] to prop up the economies of the countries that would not accept the austerity measures we did in order to recover so well, the better we are off the more we send to them. think it is about £350 million week, give or take a few point on the exchange rate.
they make the majority of our laws the other side of the channel, foreign judges tell us that our highest court in the land is subservient to them. tell our farmers what they can grow our fishermen [the few we have left] what the they can catch, and tell us who we can trade with.
our borders are no longer our own, but start in the outskirts of Europe, somewhere.
believe me Jonny they need us more that we need them, Britain at it's best is a Britain on it's own, all we need now is a prime minister that believes in our own independence to carry it forwards no silly deals to appease the eurocrats, our country is best when it stands alone, lets go for it and and send a clear message Britain is no longer for sale as it is now under new ownership.
you mention the 70's car industry as glowing example of British engineering yeah, second that, but you fail to mention that by then most of the industry was foreign owned as most of our industrial base still is, one example Germany has not lifted one finger to help the British steel works, but by god they look after their own, and why is it that the French have a dispute, and boycott our imports stop the movement of goods going into Europe, and the EU does nothing to help.
to hell with the lot of them, I say.
Margaret Thatcher who I despised with passion had a saying "in Europe but not ruled by Europe" at least she got that right but it was not to be, further integration was always the goal. had it been that we stood on the edge of Europe traded with them and made our own laws rules and regulations I think the majority of the public would have been happy with that but looking forwards to some sort of super federal state, where Britain is just ushered into one corner is a bridge too far for me and apparently also for the majority.
Oh and to answer the Prof, I think the British caravan industry will be fine, making vans for the domestic market so owners can enjoy the British summer. although I will bet there may be less German ones around.
they make the majority of our laws the other side of the channel, foreign judges tell us that our highest court in the land is subservient to them. tell our farmers what they can grow our fishermen [the few we have left] what the they can catch, and tell us who we can trade with.
our borders are no longer our own, but start in the outskirts of Europe, somewhere.
believe me Jonny they need us more that we need them, Britain at it's best is a Britain on it's own, all we need now is a prime minister that believes in our own independence to carry it forwards no silly deals to appease the eurocrats, our country is best when it stands alone, lets go for it and and send a clear message Britain is no longer for sale as it is now under new ownership.
you mention the 70's car industry as glowing example of British engineering yeah, second that, but you fail to mention that by then most of the industry was foreign owned as most of our industrial base still is, one example Germany has not lifted one finger to help the British steel works, but by god they look after their own, and why is it that the French have a dispute, and boycott our imports stop the movement of goods going into Europe, and the EU does nothing to help.
to hell with the lot of them, I say.
Margaret Thatcher who I despised with passion had a saying "in Europe but not ruled by Europe" at least she got that right but it was not to be, further integration was always the goal. had it been that we stood on the edge of Europe traded with them and made our own laws rules and regulations I think the majority of the public would have been happy with that but looking forwards to some sort of super federal state, where Britain is just ushered into one corner is a bridge too far for me and apparently also for the majority.
Oh and to answer the Prof, I think the British caravan industry will be fine, making vans for the domestic market so owners can enjoy the British summer. although I will bet there may be less German ones around.
Mel
Moderator
No idea how the Caravan or any other industry will fare. Me, I can't wait until the 350 million quid a week starts flowing into the NHS.....
What do you mean Farage said today that this claim was a " mistake". Surely no-one has lied!
Mel
What do you mean Farage said today that this claim was a " mistake". Surely no-one has lied!
Mel
Mel said:
it may have been a mistake giving the impression that somehow all this cash would be ring fenced for the NHS to quote "build a new hospital every week" given there are 2.3 million residents waiting for a home to call their own, and local councils are now so strapped for cash they cannot full fill their obligation to provide more than a minimum standard of services, and of course one has to put money aside, to rebuild Hadrians wall, so that when the SNP revisits independence and rejoins the EU all the immigrants don't re-enter through the back door, :lol: :lol: :lol:.
so not so much a lie, Mel more of an exaggeration.
Parksy
Moderator
It was a mistake by the official Brexit camp to claim that £350 million will flow into the NHS, but the mistake was not made by Farage because he was never part of the official Brexit campaign. They were the ones who had mentioned the £350 million for the NHS. The claim was actually on the exterior of the official campaign bus, not Nigel's rickety old open topped char-a-bang. Of course Cameron and his cronies always told the absolute truth in their efforts to get us to give away our democratic freedoms......... didn't they?Mel said:
Jonny G
Your comments consist mainly of doom and gloom conjecture on what could happen now that we've left the EU.
Nobody is in a position to know what will happen so we shall see.
I sincerely hope that whichever side individuals supported and voted, for we can now unite as one self-governing nation to seek our destiny and prosperity together.
The Civil Service are the officials who have massive input on trade agreements in any free country, which is what we have once again become.
The civil service has many legal experts to help to define what is possible and what is allowed by law, Government ministers read the draft proposals and if there is cabinet agreement the minister rubber stamps the completed proposals to be mutually agreed by both sides. The other parties will also have draft proposals submitted by their own civil service for ministerial approval.
Whatever had been written in a book about the 1970s car industry may have had some relevance then, but it certainly has no relevance now because we have no British car industry to speak of.
We do have what remains of a steel industry however, but EU law prevented our Westminster government from offering financial assistance to preserve it and to safeguard British jobs but hopefully this situation will now change rapidly.
Our caravan industry is a success story (despite the various caravan forum posts which have serious complaints which should rightfully be addressed by the industry) and if they manage to export their products worldwide on terms favourable to their continued growth, good luck to them.
I'm not prepared to debate the outcome of the referendum.
People were given a vote on an issue of vital national importance and the result was that the majority wanted to leave the EU so that's what is happening, like it or not.
The issue is beyond debate, it is decided.
Many have voiced their displeasure with regard to the result of the referendum via social media, and I've no wish as one who wished to preserve some semblance of democracy for Britain to gloat in any way, but almost everyone that I count as family or friend is overjoyed at the result.
I'm not a pessimist, I prefer to look at the things that should go right rather than to worry about things that could go wrong, because neither of us is in any position to alter the current situation so why lose any sleep over it? Que Sera Sera :lol:
P.S. I'm actively participating in this discussion, so therefore I wouldn't dream suddenly coming over all Moddy and deleting any comment from anyone whatever their views on the referendum result may be.
We're all adults, we are usually polite, friendly, tolerant and respectful of each others opinions. Many of us will have held strong views on our continued membership of the EU for some time and it's only natural for people to wish to express these views.
As long as we don't personally abuse each other I see no problem in the light of such a momentous national historical event.
A great result for democracy and the start of a really interesting time in politics.
Some things will get worse.
Some things will get better.
Some things will stay the same.
What, when and how is yet to be decided.
What I did find funny, though, was Donald Trump arriving in Scotland saying what a good result it was!
Some things will get worse.
Some things will get better.
Some things will stay the same.
What, when and how is yet to be decided.
What I did find funny, though, was Donald Trump arriving in Scotland saying what a good result it was!
Back to the OP.
Most caravan chassis are of German manufacture as are many other parts.
Herr Kerber has already said , as I quoted before, that Germany will not seek to impose Tariffs on the export of such items to the UK. His biggest fear is that to do so will result in lost business and lost German jobs.
I see our caravan industry thriving.
Most caravan chassis are of German manufacture as are many other parts.
Herr Kerber has already said , as I quoted before, that Germany will not seek to impose Tariffs on the export of such items to the UK. His biggest fear is that to do so will result in lost business and lost German jobs.
I see our caravan industry thriving.
I do hope they have otherwise I'm off to find my tin hat ready for the start of WW3 as predicted by the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.Mel said:
..... I saw being a meber of the EU as a peace and prosperity club as opposed to thousands of years of war and infighting.
I now see the future as one of splits and conflict.
The Scottish people will want to leave the UK and the conflict in Northern Ireland will flare up again since Ireland is in Europe where they voted to remain.
I find it ironic that the UK pioneered waring countries coming together in peace under one flag and currency.
The future of English caravan manufacturing?
...... think homegrown motorcycles and cars!
I now see the future as one of splits and conflict.
The Scottish people will want to leave the UK and the conflict in Northern Ireland will flare up again since Ireland is in Europe where they voted to remain.
I find it ironic that the UK pioneered waring countries coming together in peace under one flag and currency.
The future of English caravan manufacturing?
...... think homegrown motorcycles and cars!
hi parsky, you are correct they are of doom an gloom, find it a good place to start then things can only get better. my remark about the car industry of the 60's looking forward to the 70s , and not about the 70s was made to highlight the "we are alright mentality" of inward thinking that so often comes back to bite you. again why not learn from history instead of dismiss it. which bring me back to your earlier post and the Marshall plan. ive slept on it truthfully didn't see what that had to do with the EU debate . but taking it as a view of how we were hard done by i'd say its all about where you begin your argument? you begin it at the Marshall plan and i'd begin it at the treaty of Versailles. acknowledged universally as being a treaty so Harsh it fundamentally led to the rise of Nazism and to WW2 .. the Marshall plan as you know was a plan to stop that happening again, besides it made economical sense to the yanks . and of course our lend lease deal was with the Yanks too, so hardly know what that had to do with the EU.. unless you are suggesting no aid should have been offered?maybeyour argument is Something we should have taken up with the Americans.? oh and the link below is how OUR government preventing the Eu from saving OUR steel industry just a few months back.Parksy said:It was a mistake by the official Brexit camp to claim that £350 million will flow into the NHS, but the mistake was not made by Farage because he was never part of the official Brexit campaign. They were the ones who had mentioned the £350 million for the NHS. The claim was actually on the exterior of the official campaign bus, not Nigel's rickety old open topped char-a-bang. Of course Cameron and his cronies always told the absolute truth in their efforts to get us to give away our democratic freedoms......... didn't they?Mel said:
Jonny G
Your comments consist mainly of doom and gloom conjecture on what could happen now that we've left the EU.
Nobody is in a position to know what will happen so we shall see.
I sincerely hope that whichever side individuals supported and voted, for we can now unite as one self-governing nation to seek our destiny and prosperity together.
The Civil Service are the officials who have massive input on trade agreements in any free country, which is what we have once again become.
The civil service has many legal experts to help to define what is possible and what is allowed by law, Government ministers read the draft proposals and if there is cabinet agreement the minister rubber stamps the completed proposals to be mutually agreed by both sides. The other parties will also have draft proposals submitted by their own civil service for ministerial approval.
Whatever had been written in a book about the 1970s car industry may have had some relevance then, but it certainly has no relevance now because we have no British car industry to speak of.
We do have what remains of a steel industry however, but EU law prevented our Westminster government from offering financial assistance to preserve it and to safeguard British jobs but hopefully this situation will now change rapidly.
Our caravan industry is a success story (despite the various caravan forum posts which have serious complaints which should rightfully be addressed by the industry) and if they manage to export their products worldwide on terms favourable to their continued growth, good luck to them.
I'm not prepared to debate the outcome of the referendum.
People were given a vote on an issue of vital national importance and the result was that the majority wanted to leave the EU so that's what is happening, like it or not.
The issue is beyond debate, it is decided.
Many have voiced their displeasure with regard to the result of the referendum via social media, and I've no wish as one who wished to preserve some semblance of democracy for Britain to gloat in any way, but almost everyone that I count as family or friend is overjoyed at the result.
I'm not a pessimist, I prefer to look at the things that should go right rather than to worry about things that could go wrong, because neither of us is in any position to alter the current situation so why lose any sleep over it? Que Sera Sera :lol:
P.S. I'm actively participating in this discussion, so therefore I wouldn't dream suddenly coming over all Moddy and deleting any comment from anyone whatever their views on the referendum result may be.
We're all adults, we are usually polite, friendly, tolerant and respectful of each others opinions. Many of us will have held strong views on our continued membership of the EU for some time and it's only natural for people to wish to express these views.
As long as we don't personally abuse each other I see no problem in the light of such a momentous national historical event.
now i'm told i've a doom and gloom type of response OK i accept that but we all have our own perspectives of how we look at things, and that mean we can all look for positives of our view points and the negatives of others. straight away some myths... The EU has only been responsible for 13% of our laws the way some go on you'd think they made all the laws and besides what makes them all bad? my remark concerning civil servants was to point out they make far far more Amendments to our laws and apparently our MPs haven't found a way to stop them i find that strange. oh the link is our steel industry how the EU tried to help and our government didnt!!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tata-steel-uk-government-accused-of-failing-to-protect-british-workers-by-blocking-eu-plans-to-allow-a6962446.html
I HATE politics. The OP started the thread about the effects on the caravan industry, but it has gone the expected way - the emotional thoughts of the Remain/Exit polarization. HELP. :evil:
:evil:
Parksy
Moderator
WoodlandsCamper said:I HATE politics. The OP started the thread about the effects on the caravan industry, but it has gone the expected way - the emotional thoughts of the Remain/Exit polarization. HELP.
Don't read it then
me too... so on the caravan thing, its good right if we can export more of whatever its good... now china there must be a huge potential market out there. but here i go i fear as someone has alredy started they will merely steal the template to decent caravan building and rip off the idea.but we should still be able to tap into there market regardless of copycats stealing our ideas from us..WoodlandsCamper said:I HATE politics. The OP started the thread about the effects on the caravan industry, but it has gone the expected way - the emotional thoughts of the Remain/Exit polarization. HELP.
Parksy
Moderator
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ocking-eu-plans-to-allow-a6962446.html[/quoteJonnyG said:
I never implied that we were 'hard done by' as the result of the Marshall Plan or our Lend Lease repayments Jonny.
If you had understood the point that I was trying to make it was that there was never a golden era that you mentioned for British Industry because the investment funds needed to compete effectively were unavailable for the reasons that I stated but European manufacturing industry, which had been pretty much destroyed during world war 2 had to start again from nothing.
The Marshall Plan quite rightly ensured that the funds were available to significant investment in modern machinery and equipment to happen and the proof is there for all to see.
Compare the efficient modern French or German rail system to our outdated rail infrastructure.
I'm not suggesting that no aid should have been offered, it was exactly the right thing to do and to my mind it did more to ensure European peace and stability than the cumbersome remote EU could ever hope to achieve.
I'd agree that the reparations demanded by the Treaty of Versailles was in part responsible for the rise of the Nazis in Germany, but Italy was a Fascist Axis country that had fought against Germany in World War 1.
The rise of Italian Fascism was said to be fuelled by a sense of injustice and resentment, so Mussolini threw in his lot with Hitler.
For every different news publication there will be a different slant on who did what and why so I rarely bother with newspaper articles.
The fact remains that as a nation we have left the EU and to succeed for the future we must unite to prosper, the die is cast so no amount of moaning will change it.
Parksy
Moderator
WoodlandsCamper said:Parksy said:
If I don't read it then how do I know you've told me not to read it?
The clue is in the title of the topic Sir WC, there's a good chance that something entitled 'Leaving the EU' will involve some political discussion :S
thank you , of course not that i can entirely agree on many of the things you state but indeed everything is measured and viewed from differing stand points , i mean our rail network like so many failings we have is in part due to us or our governments that we vote for. Also Mussolini? not even going to go there apart from my 2 sets of grandparents view him differently one being from the north of Italy the others from the south!..north south divide and all ... but interestingly this discussion had me thinking and checking just how much data is available from news feed and internet searches that only reports negativity of the EU its far more difficult to find positive,not because there isnt any info, the negative stuff is repeated in such large numbers as to hide the good stuff,but you could say that about almost anything...but can i make one correction..we have not left the EU our intention is to invoke article 50 ,as yet that has not happened nor is it likely for 3 months,this in itself i find strange . as the rumblings continue all over these great isles.. as i am sure you are aware a referendum does not have any legal status and this has been reported by all news feed it takes an act of parliament to change law .although i believe something was indeed done in 2015 to change that, for this referendum , not found any news reports to confirm this either. one last thing "Parliament privilege" not for one moment do i foresee this happening but a challenge could be entered using "Parliament privilege" given apparently 70% of MPs are for staying and we are into some incredible times, Scotland trying for another referendum ,i'm still struggling to get to grips that they actually had one..London the powerhouse of Great Britain not at all happy even Cameroon resigning .ok not a fan but he is the PM ? yes times are changing and frankly anybody merely thinking well we have had a referendum thats it ,umm lets hope so .. but then isn't that what was said after the last referendum back in 1975? and that wasnt the last word ,dont think this is either if you actually look at whats happening...Parksy said:
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