Mazda CX5 tow weight

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I'm thinking of buying a Mazda CX5 Sport Nav, kerb weight 1703kg. I currently tow my 2007 Buccaneer Argosy MTPLM 1700kg with a Mitsubishi Grandis Equippe with a VW 2.0 TDi engine, kerb weight 1710kg and it performs brilliantly. So I'm towing at 100% but get no serious "bow waves" from passing trucks. I tow at 86kph (satnav reading) mostly on the Continent, so I stay at the same speed as the trucks.
Has anybody got any experience with the Mazda CX5 and such a caravan weight?
 
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Hi Alan,
This report may help get you started in your research
http://www.thetowcarawards.com/tow-car/mitsubishi-grandis/

The experts on the forum here will need full details of your proposed new tug, exact make and model number, year, and max vehicle weight, train weight, etc etc., before they can give more advice.

Presumably you have checked that your driving licence catagory, allows this combination?
Happy Caravanning
paws
 
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Hi Alan, sorry can't help, you but just get ready for some of the slagging for towing close to the limit of 100%. I used to do it with my 3 litre Vectra and a Coachman, and as you say, No Problems,
Stay safe,
 

Damian

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Figures from what tow car website:
CX5 2.2 D manual Kerbweight 1695Kg, Van 1696Kg Hitch weight 90Kg Ratio 100%
CX5 2.2 D Auto Kerbweight 1740Kg Van 1696Kg Hitch weight 90Kg Ratio 97%
Verdict:
The Mazda CX-5 - D 2.2 and the Buccaneer Argosy of a laden weight of 1696 kg is not a recommended combination to drive.

The risk of snaking at higher speeds, strong side winds and thoughtless driving is great. Even if the combination normally feels stable, the forces by deflection side to side are so great that it could be dangerous. Only if the driver has a lot of knowledge and experience in driving a caravan it should be safe to drive slowly. Proper and careful loading is essential! An electronic stability system in the car and / or on the caravan is definitely recommended.
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As long as you are aware of the closeness of limits its do-able but personally I would not like to.
 
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Thanks for feedback. I was an HGV class 1 driver before I retired 12 years ago. Just for information, when abroad we know many Dutch caravanners who tow at 100%. The Dutch have very high motoring taxes so have relatively small cars. Also, regarding licences the Caravan Club is clear on this. After 70 I can drive any vehicle up to 3500kg gross weight plus what it will legally tow. My present train weight is well within the Grand is limit of 4420kg (VIN plate). Car gross weight is 2335kg.
 
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As the guy who investigated the accidents I can only say I agree with Damien. The Mazda is far too light for the caravan and might even lose you your insurance cover if it is lighter than the caravan, check your policy.
The dynamics of an articulated lorry and a caravan with a towbar are completely different and your experience driving one of those is to my mind not relevant but even they are prone to jackknifing in the right conditions. I appreciate that the current outfit may not be prone to snaking but that is not the point. What you have to look at is its performance in an emergency situation and you do not know that until you experience it.
When dealing with the aftermath you would be surprised at how many people say they had no problem before the accident when interviewed.
A far heavier tow car is needed if you want to be sure you are safe.
 
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It looks like I'll go for a Kia Sorento or Hyundai Santa Fe or maybe a Tucson. The Mazda has no spare wheel either.
 
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Hi Alan, I appprecite, most HGV drivers , on the odd time I overtake, mostly on long hills nowadays, after big snaking incedent with my caravan. I take care not to be to close to the HGV. . The White Van man are the problem, not knowing their speed limits and passing too close, causing a big "Sway).
Anyway. Prefer to have tow car much heavier than the van.
SAFE towing folks.
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The story is in the early days of caravanning there were no limits to the size of trailer you could tow behind a car, with the result there were a number of quite serious incidents. The Gov't were disposed to start to introduce legislation to limit caravan towing, but the Caravan Club and the caravan manufacturers lobbied hard, and were able to convince ministers that by advising customers to keep their caravan's laden weights less than the tow vehicles unladen weight (along with other criteria about nose loads and speeds) this would improve the incident rate. This suggestion found favour with the Gov't, as it meant it didn't have to revisit the construction and use regulations, and rewrite what was already a complex piece of legislation.

Since this arrangement has been in place, the EU has become part of our lives (Will it still be the case in a few weeks?) and various directives now make it mandatory for car manufacturers to test and specify a cars maximum permitted towed load. These limits refer to ideal trailers and unfortunately caravans are far from ideal. So the industry recommendations still stand but have have changed value over the years. It is still suggested novices to aim for no more than 85% caravan to car ratio, and as experience is gained ratios up to 100%.

The dynamics of Cars towing caravans are very different to articulated HGV's. On a correctly loaded artic trailer the centre of mass will lie almost halfway between the fifth wheel coupling and the trailer's axles. This sets the vertical load on the coupling point to a high figure and a similar load on the trailers axles. THe position of the trailer wheels are set towards the rear of the trailer and control the yaw load very effectively resulting in generally stable towing.

By comparison the wheels of a caravan are almost central to the trailers mass, and the Centre of mass is located only just in front of the axle which is what develops the required nose load. The distribution of the mass particularly behind the axle leads to much larger yaw loads, and is one of the principal reasons why caravans are inherently far more liable to instability than artic trailers.

The industry suggestions are only guidance and cannot be enforced in law. BUT bearing in mind the inherent unstable nature of a caravan, there is good sense to keeping the towed weight ratio as small as possible.

IN relation to Ray's comment: Generally when you take out car insurance, the policy covers the vehicle and all its standard specified capacities including the manufacturers towing capacity.

I can only recall one instance reported on this forum where a contributor claimed that after a towing incident, their insurer imposed a towing limit that undercut the vehicle manufacturer's specification.
 
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It is a small minority of insurers that impose the weight limit but it pays to warn people that it could apply. The fact it can happen tends to support the point that the insurers have had problems with this or they would not have done it.
 
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After reading EF52ARH's review of his Santa Fe I think I'll go for that. But it won't be till October as my trusty Grandis will be towing us to Austria in September. Alan
 

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