Moan & Groan - Ford Mondeo 2.0L diesel automatic

Parksy

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In October last year we took possesion of a brand new 2.0L diesel automatic Mondeo on lease. A really great car except for the automatic side of the gearbox. The gearbox works fine in Sport or manual mode, but if used in automatic can be dangerous.
If coming to a rolling stop i.e. approaching a junction and then seeing that it is safe to cross, you gently accelerate to cross it safely and without causing inconvenience to other road users. Unfortunately although you have depressed the pedal nothing happens and you enter the intersection in neutral mode, but by this time the traffic that was a safe distance away is rapidly approaching and entering a danger zone. Natural tendency is to depress the accelerator harder and on a number of occasions you hear the revs climbing and then the gearbox engages with a bit of a clunk.
Ford dealership acknowledge that it is a trait in the car due to the way the ECU software is written and are not prepared to do anything about it. I know of other owners who have a simialr problem. It was suggested that I use the Sport mode which consumes a lot more fuel. We are paying for an automatic car.
It was suggested that it was the way I drive the vehicle until I pointed out that I had held a advanced driving licence and had also driven rapid response police patrol cars and therefore had some of the best driver training.
After much to and froing between the lease company, Ford and ourselves it has now been agreed that a technician from the Ford UK will inspect the vehilce. I find it quite annoying that an issue or fault is allocated a category of being a trait and that an owner should have to put up with this trait.
I have had automatics previously and the only other one that had a similar problem was a Volvo S80 diesel automatic. At the time Ford owned Volvo. I had no such issues with our Avensis which was petrol auto or my Toyota HiLux Surf which was a full diesel auto. Perhaps only auto diesels sufer this problem.
If it was not for this problem we would have a really great car. It seems that the lease company has had other complaints as they are prepared to allow me to cancel the agreement with no cancellation fee and allow us to transfer our original deposit and choose another car .Don't really want to do this as it tows great and would mean buying another towbar if we choose another brand.
 
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Dear Surfer

I have a diesel automatic which is either sport mode, comfort mode or manuel by flappy padels and never had the problem you have discribed. in fact if I am to heavy on the pedal with the caravan on the back I can get wheel spin

so its not all diesel automatics

John
 
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We tow perfectly well with a non-automatic diesel Mondeo Estate - and our caravan is at the top 'limit' of MTPLM compared to the weight of the car - so if you're prepared to go for a non-automatic the Mondeo is a great car to tow with, and your towbar should fit?!??!
 
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What is an Advanced driving licence? mine just says "Driving Licence" followed by my name, date of birth, driver number, and address followed by the groups of vehicles I am entitled to drive, with the expiry dates listed on the back for each particular group.
How do you obtain one?
 
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The 2 litre petrol automatic was reviewed in the Feb Caravan club magazine and your problem is mentioned in there where the reviewer says
"Gearshifts were mostly smooth and at the right time but just a little confusion crept in if accelerating from a near standstill when 1st gear could be snatched rather clumsily."
I've also experienced it in a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso and as you say it is very dangerous. I think what happens is the car rolls nearly to a stop but is still in 2nd or even 3rd gear. The slightest press on the accelerator causes it to try to change down, it only takes a second but to the driver it seems as if everything has died so you press the gas harder causing another change down, near panic and a sudden crash into 1st gear. They probably won't do anything until lots of complaints are received or someone sues. A human of course can anticipate the junction ahead and be in the right gear quite a few seconds before needed but whether they can reprogram a gearbox to do the same I don't know
 
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cookieones said:
What is an Advanced driving licence? mine just says "Driving Licence" followed by my name, date of birth, driver number, and address followed by the groups of vehicles I am entitled to drive, with the expiry dates listed on the back for each particular group.
How do you obtain one?
Have a read through http://www.iam.org.uk/ The police driving test was more strenous that the ADL as you have to do a running commentary driving at 80 -100mph. Doing the course is well worth it.
 
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John Griffiths said:
The 2 litre petrol automatic was reviewed in the Feb Caravan club magazine and your problem is mentioned in there where the reviewer says
"Gearshifts were mostly smooth and at the right time but just a little confusion crept in if accelerating from a near standstill when 1st gear could be snatched rather clumsily."
I've also experienced it in a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso and as you say it is very dangerous. I think what happens is the car rolls nearly to a stop but is still in 2nd or even 3rd gear. The slightest press on the accelerator causes it to try to change down, it only takes a second but to the driver it seems as if everything has died so you press the gas harder causing another change down, near panic and a sudden crash into 1st gear. They probably won't do anything until lots of complaints are received or someone sues. A human of course can anticipate the junction ahead and be in the right gear quite a few seconds before needed but whether they can reprogram a gearbox to do the same I don't know

Quite correct and it can be very worrying yet these manufacturers are all in denial that the problem exists. I will have a look see if I still have the Feb CC magazine to show the Ford representative.otherwise it will be case of begging or stealing one!
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However I have found a link to the article on the CC site but only people that are logged in can view it.
 
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Is it a powershift or torque convertor auto box? A neighhbour of mine got rid of his C4 as it had similar problem in taking up the drive. In the Saturday Telegraph Motoring section Honest John has hardly a week go by without someone complaining about the powershift/DSG etc boxes at start off. VAG group seem particlularly sensitive. Have a look at the Motoring HJ website. If you have been consitently going back to the dealer with the problem try Trading Standards for advice on redress.
 
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otherclive said:
Is it a powershift or torque convertor auto box?
Not sure as it is not specified. The box has an Automatic, Sport and manual options and is fitted to the 2.0L diesel 140bhp Zetec.
 
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Hi Surfer last year i got Citroen Grand Picasso HDI EGS Automatic this has been the best tow car that i have had it pulls my caravan great. First time out we went to wales no trouble at all and i love the cruise button on it and then went to Cornwall . if i can i will have another when my lease runs out .( I also cancel my citroen C4 Coupe HDI EGS it had paddles around the steeling wheel Auto ) I did not have choice i was having trouble getting in it ..........
 
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I have read about this problem with other automatics!

The way round it they say, is to come to a complete stop, then set off.

Now who said Autos make better tow cars?
 
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I have read about this problem with other automatics!

The way round it they say, is to come to a complete stop, then set off.

Now who said Autos make better tow cars?
 
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My 2005 Santa Fe does the same thing. I can't imagine it's a manufacturing or design fault - as someone else said, as you're slowing down, the car can not anticipate whether you plan to stop or go, so it gets stuck for a second in no-mans land.

The only way round it is to stay in manual mode and manually change to 1st gear yourself or, like I do, be aware it will happen and don't try to shoot out into small gaps without coming to a complete stop first.

I don't want to re-ignite the old auto v. manual debate but IMO it's a minor issue in comparison to the advantages.
 
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I have had/driven autos now for neigh on 20 years and my three most recent were Mondeo 2,0 petrol, 04 reg Sorento and 10 reg XC70. Relatives have Saab 9.3 and Subaru autos which I have driven. None have shown any tendency to baulk when coming to a stop and then driving on again almost instantly. However the Subaru did develop a internal fault that did make it hesitate in such circumstances; this required a rebuild at £2k and afterwards the problem had gone away and the pick up was virtually instant.They have all been conventional torque convertor boxes. The powershift boxes are more akin to an automated manual gearbox. An October 2010 Mondeo may well have powershift as did'nt the updated Mondeo come out around then. You manual shoulld tell you. Some Volvos V70 with the smaler engines have this type of gearbox and reading the ownesr manual I am not sure I would want to tow with it. When citroen updated the C5 recently they incorporated a powershift type gearbox and reduced the max tow weight considerably, yet when the C5 had the conventional torque convertor box it had virtually the same tow weight as the Mondeo. Such is the quest for reduced emissions. I think that before tooo long caravanners will have to keep and old Shougun//Sorento just to tow the ever increasing weight of the vans. Or go manual with petrol. No DPF, no auto gearbox fragility, no flywheel mass elements to go and fuel at 5pp litre less!
 
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Here is the link to the Volvo owners manual which gives warnings about driving slowly in traffic or twoing uphill slowly with a powershift box. The Volvo powershift is virtually the same as the Ford as they were one and the same company not long ago.
 
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I did have a similar problem with my 2003 Volvo S80 as it was owned by Ford at the time. We never had the problem with our Avensis 1.8 although it was petrol and neither did we have a problem with my Toyota HiLux Surf which had a a good old fashion automatic gearbox.
The lease company have had other reports and have agreed to refund my deposit so that we cna choose another car and are alsoo paying for a towbar to be fitted to the car that we choose if we go down that route as we had a towbar fitted to the current car.
Had a look at the Chevrolet Orlando LT auto diesel yesterday and it seems okay except no spare wheel and no cruise control.
 

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