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[Guest]

Very interesting Tom, so you know me?Well going by your statement it would seem you feel like you do, incorrectly though

I am wondering, how do I earn the right to have an opinion on this subject? Is it just merely based on mileage, as you say?If that was the case, then maybe 70k a year in car,trucks and oh BIKES, would that not give me the right to question Your road craft skills and manners?

Sorry Damien, I find it incredibly offensive that anybody would Actually admit to a style of driving that was indeed dangerous!

And would be laboured "undue care" if merely the site of a Bike in his rear view mirror had a car driver hugging the outside of ones line, merely to make it harder for somebody to pass!

You are incidentally Wrong Tom, indeed I believe you have clearly forgotten the highway code,and god forbid you come across a newly passed HGV driver on the road with your attitude.

They are taught assertive driving.This means once they make a move to overtake parked cars,and the road was clear at that time they then assert themselves to finish the complete movement.

That means if you were to come across this movement part finished, would you still believe you had the right to your complete side of the road? Hope not, because I can assure you that from your hospital bed the driving agency would back the lorry driver, when asserting you should have stopped, moved over and had no real right to expect the lorry to move back over or try to stop. you do not own the complete side of the road you drive on.

Thankfully I ride defensively,and it seems with good reason too.

 

[Damian]

john(me),

No need to aplogise, I too find some postings beyond belief, and for an individual to say he has "earned the right to dislike" a section of the community is unbelievable, in this case, Bikers.

Everyone who pays road tax, insurance and is legally allowed on the road is entitled to excpect due consideration from other road users.

It seems that some folk want to exclude some from that , and call them all, idiots etc.

I am at a loss as to what is going on in their heads.

However, bringing this topic into personalities is not allowed, and all I can say is ,just ignore the provocative posts.

Keyboard warriors are a bit of a problem at times, but solutions are at hand.

 

[Philspadders]

"as long as it`s safe "

Safety is very subjective the overtaker probably only thinks about themselves.

double whites are there for a reason, its not always about the overtaker,its often ab out the road user coming the other way,the one keeping their side of the road and we often see in Lincs they end up dead through the selfish actions of those who think they know best.. that includes car and lorry drivers.

 

[mcghee]

exactly phil. when undertaking any manouver any road user should ask him/herself "am i about to put myself or any other road user in danger". if the answer is anything other than a definite no you cant carry out that manouver.

sadly there are a lot of road users who fail to consider the safety of others, and use the old "making progress" line to justify it to themselves. in certain situations you may decide that the risk that to yourself is outweighed by the need to remove your vehicle from that situation, but it is never acceptable to jeopardize the safety of any other road user no matter what.

on the subject of bikes it never ceases to amze me the risks some bikers take, bearing in mind that the biker will come off worst in most cases.

 

[Robtel]

I must be the odd man out here as I can't recollect ever encountering a problem with a motor cyclist. Similar to Lord B though I have came across groups of bicylists on numerous occasions pedalling along three, four, sometimes five abreast totally preventing anyone from safely overtaking. Over the last couple of years more clubs or groups seem to have been formed in my area and are taking to the roads in groups of 20+. All pedalling along as close together as possible. I'm sure that it used to be in the Highway Code that good practice was to cycle in single file and certainly not two or more abreast.

Robert

 

[Philspadders]

pedal pushers take up the whole carriage way as a defensive measure to stop drivers ( cars,lorries,buses...) from passing too close.

Tbey should however pull over and not hold up the traffic.

I shouted at pedal pusher a few days ago as he decided that the red stop light on the pedestrian crossing i was using did not apply to him.... what a prat.

 

[Bannedtom]

You find it offensive john?? Am I really bothered so you now tell me that if an approaching hgv is overtaking a parked vehicle coming towards me on my side of the carraigeway then he has right of way?? Utter bo****ks. Don't start me off on HGV drivers! They should be banned from anything but the inside lane and be made to travel between the hours of 6pm to 6 am. The amount of near misses and accidents they have caused is past counting and the amount of times I have seen 35 ton plus hgv's less than 10 feet away from the rear of a car in the centre lane of the motorways.........

 

[602]

Hi,

Memories of when I last looked at the Highway Code, tell me that a line of traffic can undertake a slower moving line of traffic. (Difficult to undertake a faster line of traffic).

I understand that to mean that if you are in the inner lane, and overhaul a line of traffic in the outer lane, you are allowed to undertake.

BUT

If you are in the outer lane and overhaul a line of traffic also in the outer lane, you are not allowed to swerve into the inner lane in order to undertake.

My question is, if I an a solitary vehicle in the inner lane, can I consider my self a "line" for the purposes of undertaking?

I am not happy about overtaking on the inside, so will only do it when all traffic is moving SLOWLY .... even though the Highway Code does not use that word. I suspect that the terminology has changed over the years, but have no way of checking that.

If somebody, eg - a biker, makes a face shaped dent in the front of my car, it will cost me a lot of time to make a claim, and eill devalue the car. Also, if you have too many incidents that were the other blokes fault, your insurers are going to start looking sideways at you. (95% of the cowboys shot by Billy the Kid were accident prone).

So, any accident is best avoided. But tell me this .... suppose I am proceeding in a legal manner, when suddenly a biker (just to keep it on topic) swerves onto my side of the road, am I REQUIRED to take evasive action?

Early 1970s, Swansea, a bus skidded on ice, veered onto wrong side of road. Woman driving car in opposite direction swerved to avoid it. Bus driver regained control, moved back onto his own side of the road. Car crashed into front of bus, killing woman driver and her two children. Who was to blame?

602

 

[Guest]

"so you now tell me that if an approaching hgv is overtaking a parked vehicle coming towards me on my side of the carraigeway then he has right of way?? Utter bo****ks."

Trouble is Tom that is what they are taught and its what an examiner will expect if the situation arises.Being as they are "the driving agency" I believe they over ride anything you or i believe is correct.

Mind you if you think it is all B****KS, next time you see a learner HGV, doing exactly what i have stated,Feel free to put your own viewpoint into practice as the only reason i mentioned this was so that reasonable people who did not know these things,could be forewarned.As i realised from your earlier post, any sound advice would fall on deaf eyes!

 

[Guest]

Hi,

Memories of when I last looked at the Highway Code, tell me that a line of traffic can undertake a slower moving line of traffic. (Difficult to undertake a faster line of traffic).

I understand that to mean that if you are in the inner lane, and overhaul a line of traffic in the outer lane, you are allowed to undertake.

BUT

If you are in the outer lane and overhaul a line of traffic also in the outer lane, you are not allowed to swerve into the inner lane in order to undertake.

My question is, if I an a solitary vehicle in the inner lane, can I consider my self a "line" for the purposes of undertaking?

I am not happy about overtaking on the inside, so will only do it when all traffic is moving SLOWLY .... even though the Highway Code does not use that word. I suspect that the terminology has changed over the years, but have no way of checking that.

If somebody, eg - a biker, makes a face shaped dent in the front of my car, it will cost me a lot of time to make a claim, and eill devalue the car. Also, if you have too many incidents that were the other blokes fault, your insurers are going to start looking sideways at you. (95% of the cowboys shot by Billy the Kid were accident prone).

So, any accident is best avoided. But tell me this .... suppose I am proceeding in a legal manner, when suddenly a biker (just to keep it on topic) swerves onto my side of the road, am I REQUIRED to take evasive action?

Early 1970s, Swansea, a bus skidded on ice, veered onto wrong side of road. Woman driving car in opposite direction swerved to avoid it. Bus driver regained control, moved back onto his own side of the road. Car crashed into front of bus, killing woman driver and her two children. Who was to blame?

602

If it happened just like you said, then it was an accident,but would think the bus lost control first and the women merely took avoidance measures.

No doubt the women was blamed...

 

[Guest]

"suppose I am proceeding in a legal manner, when suddenly a biker (just to keep it on topic) swerves onto my side of the road, am I REQUIRED to take evasive action?"

Dont know what you really mean, sounds like an arcade game, yet in real life how often in said circumstance would anyone be able to do anything more than...just brake?

Now if you call that evasive action, then yes you are.....

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Yawwnnnnnnnnnn ...

Getting boring now :O(

 

[Alan Partridge]

@ Tom -

Tom, I think you'll find he has right of way if he reached the parked car(s) first and the road was clear for him to overtake.

In any case, if you are a fan of the Highway Code can I respectfully suggest you try out Rule 147 - I won't copy the whole of it but it includes -

[You should] not allow yourself to become agitated or involved if someone is behaving badly on the road. This will only make the situation worse. Pull over, calm down and, when you feel relaxed, continue your journey.

Good advice IMO - getting worked up usually means that the only person who suffers is ... you.

 

[602]

Hi,

About this bus skidding on ice, yes, I think the car driver was blamed.

Closer to home, 1950s, an acquaintance, young teenage girl was passenger in something like an Austin A35 driven by a teenage boy who had only a provisional licence. As they approached a hump back bridge, a Jaguar appeared over the bridge, on wrong side of the road. The boy driving swerved onto wrong side of road to avoid it ..... and crashed into the car that the Jag was overtaking. Girl was killed. The Jag did not stop. I'm guessing that the coroner's enquiry would have found the boy to be to blame.

But if he had not swerved, I suspect the Jag driver would have been blamed, the boy found blameless (apart from driving "not in accordance with his licence"), and the girl would still have been killed.

Yes, you can always hit the brakes. But that might not be enough.

You can also swerve, which will often get you out of that situation, but might/might not dump you into a different situation. Would such a secondary incident be blamed on you? If somebody is obviously going to run into you, does the law require you to sit there and take it?

602

 

[Philspadders]

if i see an HGV bearing down on me on my side of the road as its overtaking a stationary vehicle ,i am not going to argue with it.

If the driver "forced" his way through he/she is wrong, but at least you are still alive .

 

[hgv dave]

hi all

in reply to "tom"

what has this thread got to do with hgvs ?

well ok it is obvious that you have a dislike of hgvs.....no problem friend,why not start a new thread about your dislikes

im sure that myself and many other hgv drivers who use this forum will be more than ready to answer your questions

hgv dave

 

[602]

Hi,

Would anybody like to guess which members of society use the phrase "COMBAT CRUISING". Yes, it is on-topic.

602

 

[DeliDave_]

is it to do with George Micheal?