We have a Peugeot 406 1.8 Estate dual fuel (ie unleaded & LPG) Handbook says kerb weight is 1527kg, looking to buy a Bailey 2006 Burgundy 1400kg. This comes to 2927kg, the gross train weight is 3215kg this leaves 288kg do the weight of the passengers and loading the car have to be no more than this?
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- Thread starter Allyson
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Yes, you've got it right. If you load the caravan right up to its MTPLM, you can only put 288kg of payload in the car.
Thanks for answering that. Please could you answer what does the manafactures kerb weight of the car include?
i.e. does it include passengers? If so how many and does it include anything like fuel?
i.e. does it include passengers? If so how many and does it include anything like fuel?
There are several definitions of kerbweight.
The version in the UK Construction & Use regulations was used until the early '90s - includes 100% fuel, oil, coolant, washer fluid but no driver, loose tools or load.
The EC Sales Directive version has been used since the early '90s by most, but not all, car manufacturers - includes 90% fuel, 100% oil, coolant, washer fluid + 68kg driver + 7kg loose tools.
The exact difference varies according to the size of fuel tank but is about 70kg.
Note that some manufacturers still use the old C&U regs definition.
The version in the UK Construction & Use regulations was used until the early '90s - includes 100% fuel, oil, coolant, washer fluid but no driver, loose tools or load.
The EC Sales Directive version has been used since the early '90s by most, but not all, car manufacturers - includes 90% fuel, 100% oil, coolant, washer fluid + 68kg driver + 7kg loose tools.
The exact difference varies according to the size of fuel tank but is about 70kg.
Note that some manufacturers still use the old C&U regs definition.
Which car manufacturers still use the old C&U kerbweight definition, Roger? It is very misleading to have figures which are not comparable.
Allyson - your restricted payload stems from the dual fuel installation. The weight of the LPG tank, valves etc as well as the LPG itself, additional to a tankful of unleaded, has to be added to your kerbweight without any increase in gross weight or gross train weight. This is typically 75kg but your 406 may be slightly different.
Lutz, yes it is confusing - it's quite permissible in the UK to use either definition, perhaps that choice isn't available elsewhere in Europe.
It's actually very difficult to find out which definition a car maker has used - non-EC manufacturers are the most likely to ignore the EC Sales Directive.
The EEC Certificate of Conformity uses only the EC definition but is usually different to sales brochures and vehicle handbooks anyway.
It's actually very difficult to find out which definition a car maker has used - non-EC manufacturers are the most likely to ignore the EC Sales Directive.
The EEC Certificate of Conformity uses only the EC definition but is usually different to sales brochures and vehicle handbooks anyway.
As we are talking about Peugeot in this particular case, it is fair to assume that the kerbweight is quoted according to the EU Directive. After all, to obtain EU type approval, the kerbweight MUST be quoted in this way. On the other hand, most manufacturers seem to quote in their brochures only the minimum possible figure for each model without any factory-fitted options. A few, such as Ford on their website, give a bandwidth.
Requirements for type-approval and subsequent issue of an EEC Certificate of Conformity are, unfortunately, not linked directly to regulations affecting pre-sales information, in the UK.
I agree that Allyson's Peugeot handbook is "probably" using the EC definition but she didn't give the age of her vehicle.
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