Need hot water in tourer

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I’ve had someone come and look at my tourer as I don’t get hot water. He said it could cost hundreds to figure out why it doesn’t work.
so I need a way to get hot water that doesn’t directly involve the cascade 2 heater.
im a newbie to caravan life so please speak in laments terms. I have a swift rapide 490gxl tourer. I have access to electrics from a building via extension cable so doesn’t need to be direct from the caravan. Also needs to be under £100. Any direct links would be appreciated as I really have no clue about voltage etc.
 
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I don’t think the persons analysis sounds very professional. Were they a member of the Approved Workshop Scheme or MCEA mobile caravan engineers association? Did they do any diagnostic tests on the electrics or gas, or just condemn it on sight? There’s a company that has been frequently mentioned on the Forum who have extensive knowledge of Carver units perhaps talking to them in advance of sending it for repair may be an option. I will try and find their details but Damian will probably beat me to it.

Got it.

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I agree. “ cost 100s to figure out why it doesn’t work” sounds OTT to me. Get an Approved Workshop/
MCEA mobile engineer to look at it. It may cost quite a bit to get it fixed but certainly not to work out what the problem is.
Good luck
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I don’t think the persons analysis sounds very professional. Were they a member of the Approved Workshop Scheme or MCEA mobile caravan engineers association? Did they do any diagnostic tests on the electrics or gas, or just condemn it on sight? There’s a company that has been frequently mentioned on the Forum who have extensive knowledge of Carver units perhaps talking to them in advance of sending it for repair may be an option. I will try and find their details but Damian will probably beat me to it.

Got it.

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Yes they are MCEA approved but honestly he had no clue about why I don’t have hot water. Just said ‘we can try this and if it doesn’t work we’ll try this’ which honestly doesn’t help.
I appreciate your response and help and await the info if Damian doesn’t beat you to it
 
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I agree. “ cost 100s to figure out why it doesn’t work” sounds OTT to me. Get an Approved Workshop/
MCEA mobile engineer to look at it. It may cost quite a bit to get it fixed but certainly not to work out what the problem is.
Good luck
Mel
They were MCEA approved but appeared clueless as to why the hot water didn’t work. Thanks for the reply :)
 
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Yes they are MCEA approved but honestly he had no clue about why I don’t have hot water. Just said ‘we can try this and if it doesn’t work we’ll try this’ which honestly doesn’t help.
I appreciate your response and help and await the info if Damian doesn’t beat you to it
I inserted the link in my above post to Arc Systems who are experts on the kit.
 

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Emma64. The Carver Cascade 2 was a Gas+Electric water heater. You have said you cannot get any hot water but is that on Gas or Electric? That both heating elements do not work, is slightly odd. As you have a mains electric supply, it would probably suit you best to have it working on Electric, so the question is - have you tried it on electric? I think there is a thermal cutout on the electric element and possibly a re-set button (we had one, but I can't quite remember). The cutout would isolate the electrical element to prevent it burning out if, for example, the water heater element was switched on with the hot water heater having no water in it.
The gas water heater control system didn't work without a good 12v supply for the controller - the initial green light would go amber and red when you switch on. The question there is - have you got a 12v supply?
 
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Emma64. The Carver Cascade 2 was a Gas+Electric water heater. You have said you cannot get any hot water but is that on Gas or Electric? That both heating elements do not work, is slightly odd. As you have a mains electric supply, it would probably suit you best to have it working on Electric, so the question is - have you tried it on electric? I think there is a thermal cutout on the electric element and possibly a re-set button (we had one, but I can't quite remember). The cutout would isolate the electrical element to prevent it burning out if, for example, the water heater element was switched on with the hot water heater having no water in it.
The gas water heater control system didn't work without a good 12v supply for the controller - the initial green light would go amber and red when you switch on. The question there is - have you got a 12v supply?

I was told by the engineer that came last week it runs off gas? I have gas connected and I’m on electric hook up but from a building (not limited like you would be on a camp site). Not sure how to try it on electric? I’ve tried googling about any reset buttons but had no luck. The lights on the cascade 2 are green and red.
ahh see what’s 12v supply? I’m so thick when it comes to all this.
 
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I was told by the engineer that came last week it runs off gas? I have gas connected and I’m on electric hook up but from a building (not limited like you would be on a camp site). Not sure how to try it on electric? I’ve tried googling about any reset buttons but had no luck. The lights on the cascade 2 are green and red.
ahh see what’s 12v supply? I’m so thick when it comes to all this.


This link may help understand its workings.


http://www.thomson-caravans.co.uk/gas/pdf/carver-user.pdf
 
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Hello Emma,

Welcome to the forum.

You have not given us very much information to work with, for example What year is the caravan, and what skills competency you may have regards undertaking any sort of investigation or repairs.

What does dismay me is your report of what the MCEA has told you, For someone who should know about caravan appliances to tell it will cost £100s to find out what's wrong is frankly dishonest. Generally it does not take long to find out what the problem is, but it might cost quite a bit more to put it right, but it all depends on what the problem is.

You need to be aware the last Carver Cascade 2 was produced at the turn of the century, so some parts are becoming difficult to find, and there is no new heater that is a direct like for like replacement. All new models will require a new installation and Gas/electric models are all probably £500 or more for new ones.

You seem to be suggesting you'd like an electric water heater. There are models on the market, but for safety reasons its not likely to be any better than properly functioning gas/electric water heater like the Carver

What ever the solution, for your safety it should either repaired or replaced professionally.
 

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Hi Emma
A touring caravan normally utilises various systems when it's on a caravan pitch.
There's mains electricity (230 volt) via an electric hook up lead (ehu)
The caravan heating, fridge and water heater can use 230v or lpg gas from a gas bottle.
There are items which use 12 volt electricity which comes via a leisure battery.
Some of the interior lights will be 12 volt, plus the water pump, toilet flush, heating ignition and gas boiler ignition.
For the water heater to work you need a water supply and either 230v electricity or lpg gas.
If using gas (lpg) you need a spark to ignite the boiler which is 12 volt ( leisure battery)
I strongly advise you to have the water heater and heating system checked by a competent caravan engineer, probably mobile who will come to your caravan to check it over to make sure that it's safe and to tell you how everything works.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask.
 

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If your heater is just gas operated and assuming no water leaks from it, then the only things that can go wrong are the wall switch, or more likely the burner module,

If it is dual fuel (easily checked, if there is a plastic box on the end of the water tank, with a mains cable going into it, it has an electric element, and at the age of the heater that may be not working

Assuming you had filled the water system and then tried to light the heater, bearing in mind it may take several attempts until the gas gets to the burner, the lights on the wall switch should turn green.

The other two lights are : Amber...Low 12v supply, Red:..Burner module fault.

Whatever the fault is, it is not going to be cheap, burner modules are over £100 and electric elements are almost impossible to find.

If, however, you intend to use the van on serviced pitches which have mains hookup, the it may be worth looking at the Propex electric water heater https://propexheatsource.co.uk/heaters/10l-water-heater

They come as either 6ltr or 10 ltr heaters, the 6 ltr being £150 + VAT and the 10 Ltr version is £180 + VAT

I would strongly advise you to use only an Approved Workshop engineer for and certainly not a MCEA only trained engineer. You will find a local engineer here: https://www.approvedworkshops.co.uk/find-approved-workshop
 
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Good morning Emmab64.
You said in your OP that you are a newbie to caravan life. Has the hot water system ever worked since you bought your caravan?
Did you buy your caravan from a dealer with any warranty?
Even if it was a private sale and the fault existed at the time of purchase but was not pointed out you may have some redress against the seller.
However, you would have to prove that you had been mislead into believing the caravan was in good order with everything working as expected when in fact it wasn't.
Good luck.
 
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I agree with the Prof on the point that the engineer's is not correct. Generally the problem should be ascertained fairly easily, the cost of putting it right might be hundreds if it needs replacement, but at the same time it could be something simple and cost next to nothing. I think I would get a second opinion on this.
If you bought from a dealer you should be going back there and ask for the problem to be resolved. If you bought within the last 30 days you have a legal right to your money back or you can give them a single chance to repair. If it was within the last six months you have the right to a repair or after that you have to show the heater was defective at the time of purchase.
If you bought privately then it is "buyer beware", if you did not ask if it worked the seller does not have to tell you and you have no redress. If you asked and the seller lied you have a theoretical case but a case against him would be difficult as he could deny saying anything about the heater, and recovery is far more difficult even, if you win your case.
 

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Emma, Some gas appliances in older caravans have an external cover on the outside vent which must be removed in order for the gas to ignite. I don’t know if this applies to yours. I would have thought that this would have been checked by the engineer but given their other comments, I am not so sure.
Someone on here will know if yours has an external cover.
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Has anyone mentioned about a reset button which some water heaters have and are easy to reset, from memory it’s on the end of the water tank at the end not at the wall side but the end easily accessed, if you feel around round the end you’ll find a button you can press and it will stay pressed in, the button pops out when the heater is switched on and there’s no water in the tank and it cuts power to heater, sorry if it’s been mentioned already but I havent time to read through all the replies
 
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Hi welcome to the forum
If I remember correctly the the carver cascade 2 works on both gas and electric if you look at the water heater from inside the caravan there will be a plastic cover with a recessed red button (only small) that's the reset button also there should be a flexible cable usually white that goes to a switch fuse to turn on the mains power to water heater, check the fuse also press the red reset button, please ensure the water heater is full of water before you turn it on, with either gas or electric

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Start by saying thanks Clive
Second Emma, if you read my overview below, it will give you perhaps more idea than the 'someone' that came round!
Hopefully first though you can give me the year of your van? or if not, has the control switch got grey press on and off buttons or an up/down knob?
Also when you mentioned green and red lights, did you mean you get green when you switch on followed by the red after several seconds? Or does red follow green immediately?
The Carver Cascade 2 is a 9 litre storage water heater, which when running on gas will heat the water to 65deg c in about 45 minutes. On 240V mains assuming it has this facility, the time can be somewhat longer or shorter depending on the wattage (630w 3amp to 840w 5amp) of the element fitted, you can use both gas and electric together for faster times.
To operate the gas there is a wall switch or a switch within a main control panel, either way both have three lights green, amber and red. When switched on the green lights, (water tank must be full, i.e. water coming from hot taps), if it stays on after about 8 seconds then the gas has lit and all is well. If the green is joined by the red then you may have a problem, but if the gas bottle has just been changed then air in the pipes will have to be bled through by repeating the above 2 or 3 times. Once lit, and it should light without any pops and bangs, (this would indicate it needs a service), the heater looks after itself and gives constant hot water. Any problems will cause it to shut down safely and show the red light. Forget the amber light, it's to show low voltage and won't light unless the voltage is so low the heater and everything else packed up long since, though you may notice it 'flash' as the switch is turned on or off.
The 240v immersion heater if fitted is totally separate, and lies behind a white plastic box on the inboard end of the water tank. It is controlled by a switch, often close by and at floor level, but again sometimes as part of a remote control panel. The switch has a red light to show it's 'on', not that it's working, this will be determined by the water getting hot. If it does not then it may have 'tripped' Two types exist, early circa 1990 are non-re-settable but are repairable. Later models have a Red button on the end of the plastic box which is sometimes behind a little flap. Switch off mains, and press to reset.
Other faults concerning the gas side very often come down to the 'Burner Module'. This handy little unit contains the burner, gas valve and all the electronics which control it and is accessible from behind the cover outside of the van. In the event things go wrong it's a 5 minute job to replace it, with a new or serviced exchange unit. One other safety device is a wax filled 'fusible' plug, this again is behind the outer cover and shows itself as a 13 mm nut set in the fins above the burner. The wax will melt if things get too hot allowing hot water from the tank to spray over the burner and put the flame out. This will render things safe but will require a new module because it's control circuitry is faulty. However given if the fuse 'blows' without the water apparently getting to hot then replacing the plug will be sufficient. The point to note here is that over time the wax in the plug degrades or the threads leak, at the very least allowing water to seep onto the burner causing it to rust and eventually will still require replacement of the whole burner module.
Further problems that come to light in spring is the discovery of frost damage to the water tank, the non-return valve which is part of the cold water inlet and other plastic fittings. Failing to drain the heater when there is a chance of temperatures dropping below freezing can be very expensive to repair and should be avoided by removing the drain bung and allowing the heater to drain completely. Later models have a valve above the drain hole in the top left corner of the flue cowl, these have a 'toggle' showing that when turned a ¼ in any direction will allow air into the tank and assist the draining. Older models still have the valve but the flue cowl needs to be removed and the valve end pulled to open it, in this case opening all taps in the van will do much the same thing. It is most important that the drain bung is then only placed back into the hole and not screwed in, any water left in the system can then drain away.
Frost damage to the tank will be obvious by the leaking water from the damaged seal, the damaged non-return valve quite often will prevent water coming from the hot taps although the cold water flow will be fine. Other fittings are often cracked by the pressure of the frozen water and will leak on refilling the system.
 
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Hi all. I posted before I don’t get hot water and wanted alternatives.
I have a swift rapide 490 gxl and can’t get hot water. I’ve had someone come out to it and no fix.
my electric hook up comes direct from a plug socket in a building so not restricted to camp ground voltage. I also have an extension cable coming into the caravan from that building to plug in higher voltage items. My question is, could I have something like this to use as a shower? And plug it straight into the extension cable? If not, any solutions to get hot water for my shower? 😩
https://uk-m.banggood.com/3500W-Min...MI7NHKh92c9AIVSajVCh0Z_Af2EAQYCCABEgKGDfD_BwE
 
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Not in a million years would I consider fitting a unit like that. Whilst many domestic products are made in china I try and buy those that are at least marketed by a recognised U.K. or European company. I doubt that this shower heater has been tested and certified to CE requirements. I had earthed Fittings arrive from China that only had two wires and exposed metal parts; they were marked CE and carried the double insulated icons.
 
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