You are going to run out of water, just less frequently than if you only had one Aquarool.Gybe said:
Surely if you had two aquarolls both filled with water and a tube filled with water between the two reaching to the bottom of each barrrel, as the one barrel emptied the water level would adjust automatically so that both barrels were always at the same level?
Very true Surfer but it is a bit of a bu**er to keep the pipes in the correct position and to create a decent syphon unless you go for one of the ebay specials at about £6 that have a small diaphram pump in the middle. It also helps to have rigid pipes going into the Aquarolls and they must be at the same level or the syphon effect will either drain one and overfill the other or the syphon will be lost when one tank is empty. I've spent hours palying with this idea and in the end gave up as it was just not worth the bother. If the Aquarolls do need changing over in mid shower I'm not too concerned about legging it round the caravan to change them over even if others are not too happy about me wandering about with a towel around my bits.
I guessed that the smart people of this forum would realise what I mean NickNick in France said:
We top up once a day and never get to the evening or morning and hear the dreadful whirring sound of an empty tank. I'm sure that many caravanners have shared the experience of running out of water at an inoppertune moment unless they are always plumbed into a super pitch supply. Some coastal sites we stop on are a little wild with a trek to the water supply and the extra Aquaroll capacity is a bonus.
Parksy
Moderator
I've had the dreaded mid shower spluttering sound which means that a warm caravan shower on a cold day quickly becomes goose bump central because I forgot to check the Aquaroll
I now fill the onboard tank and the Aquaroll which means two trecks to fill the Aquaroll and empty the wastemaster but nice warm showers which never run dry in the caravan. I've learned to judge when to pump more into the onboard tank and when to use just the Aquaroll toward the end of our stay.
I always use the onboard tank first and if I have enough water left over in the Aquaroll instead of wasting it completely I use it to flush sterilising tablets through the system and taps before we empty the now cold boiler and leave the site.
I now fill the onboard tank and the Aquaroll which means two trecks to fill the Aquaroll and empty the wastemaster but nice warm showers which never run dry in the caravan. I've learned to judge when to pump more into the onboard tank and when to use just the Aquaroll toward the end of our stay.
I always use the onboard tank first and if I have enough water left over in the Aquaroll instead of wasting it completely I use it to flush sterilising tablets through the system and taps before we empty the now cold boiler and leave the site.
Afternoon all,
We are very pleased that this months tip has been a top taking point. However we have received an email from the lady who sent in the idea and she is very upset by some of the comments made on this thread.
Debbie was simply sharing an idea and we deemed it suitable enough to share with others who may be interested. All are very welcome to share opinions and disagree with content we print, but our aim is to not upset people who have taken the time to contribute.
We are always keen to hear people's top touring tips, so if you have some to share then please do.
Many thanks, Stacie
We are very pleased that this months tip has been a top taking point. However we have received an email from the lady who sent in the idea and she is very upset by some of the comments made on this thread.
Debbie was simply sharing an idea and we deemed it suitable enough to share with others who may be interested. All are very welcome to share opinions and disagree with content we print, but our aim is to not upset people who have taken the time to contribute.
We are always keen to hear people's top touring tips, so if you have some to share then please do.
Many thanks, Stacie
Hi Stacie.
Would Debbie care to share with all of the fourumites how that she manages to get it to work ?
The description from the mag states.
I tried to make it work but failed miserably you can watch the results below.
Click here to watch my failed test
Would Debbie care to share with all of the fourumites how that she manages to get it to work ?
The description from the mag states.
I tried to make it work but failed miserably you can watch the results below.
Click here to watch my failed test
Parksy
Moderator
Hi Stacie
I've monitored this thread, and am sorry to learn that Debbie who sent in her idea to you has been upset by comments that have been submitted to the forum by it's members about the April issue Tip of the Month.
I'm sure that there was no intention by forum members to upset or annoy this lady, and no doubt she acted in good faith when she forwarded her idea.
If the good lady has been upset by any comment on this thread please forward my sincere apologies to her and let me know which comments she finds upsetting or offensive so that I can do something about it.
As far as I can see there are no intentionally offensive comments remaining in this thread, but I can't speak for the Practical Caravan Facebook page which is nothing to do with us on the forum.
Practical Caravan magazine have chosen this idea as their Tip of the Month, and forum members have expressed doubt on whether or not it would actually work in practice. Such discussions often take place on caravan related internet forums and are not personal.
Please be assured that forum members, many of who are Practical Caravan magazine subscribers, are very interested in knowing how the tip would work in practice which is why they have decided to ask questions and to comment about the Practical Caravan magazine tip.
The write up stated that the tip was to use two water hogs 'to save on refilling time'. and that the water hogs were arranged 'with one on the ground and the other on a breeze block'
Rather than trying to upset the lady who's idea this was, I think that forum members comments were addressed to Practical Caravan magazine, in the hope of finding out how any time would be saved and how the siphoning effect would not cause water to run out of the upper waste hog and into the lower waste hog and onto the ground without some kind of seal on the lower waste hog?
Many caravanners use two water containers, I have done so myself, but my own experience is that for them to work effectively they have to be side by side and level with each other and the inlet hose transferred between the two unless the lower container is sealed or has a stop valve, which is not mentioned in your tip.
Would you agree that any idea deemed suitable as a tip in Britains Leading Caravan Magazine ought to be shown to be effective?
I've monitored this thread, and am sorry to learn that Debbie who sent in her idea to you has been upset by comments that have been submitted to the forum by it's members about the April issue Tip of the Month.
I'm sure that there was no intention by forum members to upset or annoy this lady, and no doubt she acted in good faith when she forwarded her idea.
If the good lady has been upset by any comment on this thread please forward my sincere apologies to her and let me know which comments she finds upsetting or offensive so that I can do something about it.
As far as I can see there are no intentionally offensive comments remaining in this thread, but I can't speak for the Practical Caravan Facebook page which is nothing to do with us on the forum.
Practical Caravan magazine have chosen this idea as their Tip of the Month, and forum members have expressed doubt on whether or not it would actually work in practice. Such discussions often take place on caravan related internet forums and are not personal.
Please be assured that forum members, many of who are Practical Caravan magazine subscribers, are very interested in knowing how the tip would work in practice which is why they have decided to ask questions and to comment about the Practical Caravan magazine tip.
The write up stated that the tip was to use two water hogs 'to save on refilling time'. and that the water hogs were arranged 'with one on the ground and the other on a breeze block'
Rather than trying to upset the lady who's idea this was, I think that forum members comments were addressed to Practical Caravan magazine, in the hope of finding out how any time would be saved and how the siphoning effect would not cause water to run out of the upper waste hog and into the lower waste hog and onto the ground without some kind of seal on the lower waste hog?
Many caravanners use two water containers, I have done so myself, but my own experience is that for them to work effectively they have to be side by side and level with each other and the inlet hose transferred between the two unless the lower container is sealed or has a stop valve, which is not mentioned in your tip.
Would you agree that any idea deemed suitable as a tip in Britains Leading Caravan Magazine ought to be shown to be effective?
Sproket. I may have spotted the problem. In your test you are using Aquarolls not Water HogsSproket said:Hi Stacie.
Would Debbie care to share with all of the fourumites how that she manages to get it to work ?
The description from the mag states.
I tried to make it work but failed miserably you can watch the results below.
Click here to watch my failed test
If I wrote in to PC Magazine with the tip that a length nylon knitting wool is a cheap reliable replacement for a snapped caravan breakaway cable I would hope that somebody at PC magazine would check that it really worked !!
Is Stacie serious? Surely the magazine staff check out tips and someone at PC must have had some idea about syphoning water flowing unchecked, or do Water Hogs have some magical properties
Well done Sir Sproket.
The scientific approach is always best but I prefer a breeze block to your workmate bench
.
This isn't the first time printed suggestions have been fundementally flawed eg using a trolley jack to raise the caravan .
I am a long term annual paying subscriber to Lord Hezza's PCv and I think I can reasonably expect "winning ideas" not only to work but to be sensible and efficient.
Ok a breeze block for ballast maybe????????????????
The scientific approach is always best but I prefer a breeze block to your workmate bench
This isn't the first time printed suggestions have been fundementally flawed eg using a trolley jack to raise the caravan .
I am a long term annual paying subscriber to Lord Hezza's PCv and I think I can reasonably expect "winning ideas" not only to work but to be sensible and efficient.
Ok a breeze block for ballast maybe????????????????
I regularly use 2 connected water containers when on cls, and we are both showering in the van. (So no turning out when showered to check or top up, and still water left for whatever afterwards) Two containers on the level connected by one of the 'syphon pumps' (available at most hardware market stalls -- cost £1). Worked for years. 2 or 3 squuezes on the syphon pump and the syphon set up to run forever. (I'm not really into carrying breezeblocks!!)
Dustydog said:
If I offended Debbie in my OP I'm sorry. but I agree with Dustydog. It was selected as the winning tip by PC, think of the offence if a workable idea lost to this one.
There will always be some comment, either people will think it's a good idea or not, unfortunately most people think this is not, and as discribed in PC has been show not to work by Sprocket.
Looks like my (so called) sense of humour got me into trouble againGybe said:I guessed that the smart people of this forum would realise what I mean NickNick in France said:.
I really must be missing something with this idea, I guess it depends if you like spending 5 minutes (assuming it takes 5 minutes to fill an Aquaroll) twice a day or 10 minutes once a day.
I would sooner spend 5 minutes twice a day & save having to carry 2 Aquarolls & waste containers.
Perhaps Sproket should get the company car and caravan,it didnt look as though it took too long to try it out,looking forward to Gybe winning the next prize
Parksy
Moderator
I think that most of us who have contributed to this topic think that, with all due respect, as caravanning tips go, the one in the April issue possibly needed a clearer explanation of how it would work in practice.
Surely Practical Caravan forum members new and old will have a lot of sound caravanning tips that we know will work?
Send them in to letters@practicalcaravan.com if you have any, and at least we'll have tried to do something positive instead of simply complaining on the forum and hoping for an improvement.
Surely Practical Caravan forum members new and old will have a lot of sound caravanning tips that we know will work?
Send them in to letters@practicalcaravan.com if you have any, and at least we'll have tried to do something positive instead of simply complaining on the forum and hoping for an improvement.
Parksy
Moderator
Gagakev said:Take a caravan with youParksy said:
Groan
I ought to have known better than to ask but as King of the Woosies I'd hoped for better from you
It would help if you had a towing vehicle
Sorry my warped sense of humor is playing up tonight, I will not respond to this post again
Sorry my warped sense of humor is playing up tonight, I will not respond to this post again
You're quite welcome to do whatever you want Nick in France.Nick in France said:
Nick you should really check out http://www.aquaroll.com/ . Aquaroll's have handles for wheeling them along and Wastemaster has wheels. No Lifting needed
We suit ourselves, water supply and waste is sorted in the morning normally. We don't touch it again, when we've had a hard day we don't have to worry about running out of water in the evening we can just relax. Our Aquarolls pumps fill our inboard tank automatically as we draw water. When they are empty LEDs flash a warning and we have the inboards contents before we run out.
Handles are for wimps, although one full Aquaroll in each hand would balance me carrying them the mile back from the tap at our favourite site.Gybe said:
I did mean for transport but I guessed that the smart people of this forum would realise what I mean Gybe
I still don't see the advantage of transporting 2 Aquarolls etc.
I fancy fitting an onboard tank but every reason I put to SWMBO to justify spending the money she shoots down.
Debbie Parry's tip is quite plausible and demonstrates that there is more than one way to go caravanning.
Quite where the need for one container to be higher than the other came in .....I don't know.
Others have said this will work if the containers are level ........so perhaps getting the tip into print with a picture has lead to factual mistakes.
The fact is that both the water containers would have to be at or near the same level for the syphon to work automatically and not spill any water. The syphon would also need to be set up properly in the first place!
When the pump removed water from it's container .......the syphon would replace this water from the other container to equalise the levels.
Effectively giving twice the capacity of stored water.
Me .......I have never owned a Water Hog or Aquaroll
Quite where the need for one container to be higher than the other came in .....I don't know.
Others have said this will work if the containers are level ........so perhaps getting the tip into print with a picture has lead to factual mistakes.
The fact is that both the water containers would have to be at or near the same level for the syphon to work automatically and not spill any water. The syphon would also need to be set up properly in the first place!
When the pump removed water from it's container .......the syphon would replace this water from the other container to equalise the levels.
Effectively giving twice the capacity of stored water.
Me .......I have never owned a Water Hog or Aquaroll
On our caravan trips Mrs Gybe has strict demarcation lines, she knows how to set up the caravan but that's my job, Water and waste is also my job. Should I keel over with Beriberi or get rushed to hospital with Sunstroke she knows what to do but until that happens water and waste and corner steadies are my concern.Nick in France said:
If we get back to the caravan and there's no water for her to rinse off our wetsuits, swimwear and have a shower whilst the kettle is on the boil she can whine louder than any caravan water pump running dry
Gafferbill does without aquaroll or waterhogs and if he's happy with that so am I, lots of other people use two water containers like we do. We don't have a load weight or space problem and both our aquarolls came foc.
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