Parking the Van

Jan 22, 2008
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In a message it referred to caravanners watching new caravanners attempting to reverse into their pitches for the very first time.

The second time I went out, we arrived at the camp site, we were shown to our pitch, guess what! the distance allowed between pitches amounted to just enough space for a van, awning and the car, plenty of space I hear you say until I tell you the road was only wide enough for the car.

Two welsh couples were having a good laugh, as this was only my second time at trying to reverse a van, luckily we were okay, and we were pitched within an hour, awning up and enjoying a Magners.

I would like to think if I had real trouble a neighbour would have assisted, ever since I have gone out of my way to help if I seen anyone having problems reversing their van.

The message should be to all site owners, please allow for the 4 X 4's which need a larger turning circle, not every one has a magic mover.

On a final point, last season we visited a site (CC), the alloted pitch was very good, with exception that there was a 3ft lamp directly opposite our pitch, and my Shogun had a real problem getting our van into the pitch, on getting out the real problems started, vans had pitched both sides and directly opposite, we had to ask the owner of the pitch to pull his car out, to allow enough space the get out.

We had a word with the site's managers, explained the problem we had, a Shogun plus a twin axle take up a little more space than an Ford Escort towing a 2 berth.

I think the managers made notes on the site plan, we both are of the opinion that we give our van sizes when bookin a pitch, may be site owners should ask what you are towing with, and allow more space if required.
 
Nov 6, 2005
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If every site designed every pitch for the most unmanoeuvrable outfits, they'd get a lot less pitches and revenue out a site - which would push the prices up for everyone else with manageable outfits.

I'd rather have a medium size caravan with a mover than a large one without - for this very reason.
 
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If every site designed every pitch for the most unmanoeuvrable outfits, they'd get a lot less pitches and revenue out a site - which would push the prices up for everyone else with manageable outfits.

I'd rather have a medium size caravan with a mover than a large one without - for this very reason.
Hi Roger

I would not suggest anything like that, we already know that some sites will not take a twin axle, and we accept that, but when accepting a twin axle, there should be sufficent room to park it, after all we are normally charged extra.

We visited Blackmore last year, ton's of space, nice wide roads, wide pitches, excellent.
 
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We have an outfit with a combined length of 41 ft and always indicate this on booking slips or over the phone - we have only been given an unsuitable pitch once in appx 50 outings and we managed to make that work because my sisters family were in the next pitch - that van was 30 ins shorter than our present one and we could not do it now.

That pitch was on the top of the "steppes" at West Bay if anyone knows it and we did let them know it was a big TA beforehand.
 
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I've got a few thoughts on this matter, firstly i'm never sure if offers to help push / direct wil be taken as interferance, perhaps if those after a hand would ask those watching for assistance it would be a good introduction to our new neighbours too!

secondly you guys with big TAs, which i know are hard to move on grass by hand and next to impossable to slew, why not invest in a pusher ball on the front of your cars? its easier to push a van into tight spots than reverse it.

thirdly, having told the site owner that you need more room i think you should expect it.

and finaly, we normaly stay on caravan club CLs and always find there is loads of space to shunt about , my wife just passsed her B+E and she did her first pitching on a CL near pentrefoelas last october.

Gareth
 
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It could be our earlier posting on 'New Members' that Richard is referring to - we had a smug so-and-so laughing at us on our first outing at The Grange CC Site in Durham. It was abundantly clear that we were new as all the equipment was in boxes on clear view in the back of our car but he just sat there watching us struggle and laughing at us. Thankfully, our neighbour at the other side offered assistance and we were so grateful.

If ever we see people struggling in future we'll offer to lend a hand but won't take offence if we're knocked back. We understand that some people are reluctant to interfere in case their help is rejected but the chap who laughed at us made a point of sitting where he could see us and took obvious pleasure from our antics. It would have been better if he'd looked the other way - knowing he was watching just made us more nervous.

We agree with the problems with site layouts - we were put on a pitch at Haggerston Castle that had a lamp post to one side and a speed bump in front of it with the toilet block in front of that. What was most annoying was that there were about 190 spare pitches! With hindsight we should have just chosen a better one but the touring site office was closed so we couldn't ask if that was ok.

We have since invested in a motor mover because of problems locating our caravan in it's storage place at Rob's parents bungalow but the thought of easing siting problems on holiday was also a strong selling point!

Our friends are about to take delivery of a new twin axle van and will soon get an Audi Q7 to tow it (we're not THAT jealous!!) and so their outfit will be over 4ft longer than their current one. We'll make sure they're aware of the problems you've encountered, Richard, so that they can hopefully avoid them.

RogerL has a point re site fees going up for everyone but surely sites could create a small area that caters for larger outfits and charge more accordingly.
 
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Gareth

Good point about the pusher ball on front.

My T.A.van is stored in a barn with tricky access, a front ball would make access much easier.

Does anyone have any experience of fitting a tow hitch to the front?

I may start a new topic on this one.
 
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i saw an advert recenty in either Practical caravan or the caravan Club magazine for them, they were detachable too! Remember its just a hitch you need no electrics!

Best fitted offset to the N/s so you can see the side of the van, unless your normal parking makes a center hitch better.

My dad had an old landrover with twin front hitches , this was handy as swapping from one hitch to the other gave greater flexability in very tight spots!

i'll have surf now , see what i find

Gareth
 
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i saw an advert recenty in either Practical caravan or the caravan Club magazine for them, they were detachable too! Remember its just a hitch you need no electrics!

Best fitted offset to the N/s so you can see the side of the van, unless your normal parking makes a center hitch better.

My dad had an old landrover with twin front hitches , this was handy as swapping from one hitch to the other gave greater flexability in very tight spots!

i'll have surf now , see what i find

Gareth
TRY THIS

http://www.westerntowing.co.uk/acatalog/Front_Push_Towbars.html
 
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We love our Q7 and also tow a Senator, ours is the 4.2 diesel and the best all rounder car I've ever driven.

Couldn't be a'ed with a mover as it would reduce carry weight in the caravan.

When we first went to France many years ago, our first pitch was down a twisting track between pine trees. The guide told us to unhitch and a number of caravanners helped push the van in to the pitch. French, Dutch and Germans all helped and other Brits just looked on! We helped in return when others came and went, most other Brits still looked on!
 
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i saw an advert recenty in either Practical caravan or the caravan Club magazine for them, they were detachable too! Remember its just a hitch you need no electrics!

Best fitted offset to the N/s so you can see the side of the van, unless your normal parking makes a center hitch better.

My dad had an old landrover with twin front hitches , this was handy as swapping from one hitch to the other gave greater flexability in very tight spots!

i'll have surf now , see what i find

Gareth
Or here, http://www.watling-towbars.co.uk/caravan_mover.html
 

JTQ

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Neighbours are only likely the once to offer to help manhandle a twin axle.

They should be sold with a health warning; just try it with our Ifor Williams trailer even unloaded and on a firm surface.

We used to have front hitches on our Defender 110s and whilst they greatly improve the overall manoeuvrability they don't reduce the length of the unit so don't cure the problem.

Now with the available technology of movers those that purchase larger vans without also a mover and then struggle are surely fair game for a bit of entertainment.
 
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Why do twin axles attract these silly comments such as "come with health warnings"

I have used an Ifor Williams trailer as well, different story to a caravan, and that never needed a motor mover either.

We have a big motor mover towing the van and it has reverse gears. We would not have replaced our previous twin axle caravans with new twin axles if moving and pitching them was difficult or a health hazard.

A front mounted tow ball would help some I'm sure, but it would do nothing for the looks of my "baby" practice reversin and you will have little trouble. I also guess most people we have helped push caravans on sites over the years have had smaller vans than ours and mainly single axles.

If everyone makes an effort to help rather than take joy from those that struggle it would be a better caravanning world.
 
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JTQ

Never had any trouble moving my t/a. whilst reversing or with the Powrmover. Agreed I wouldn't try too hard manually but then I don't need to.A health warning??? Maybe you smoke too much or need the gym lol

Cheers

Alan
 
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Thanks Gareth & Brian

I'll go and see Western Towing as they are very close.

Embarrasing or what, - Mark, one of the family partners of Western Towing used to live next door !! I should have thought of them.
 

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