Hi abi,,thanks for reply,,,yes i was looking at a couple of fixed bed models yesterday were they elddis something,,ive seen so many i get confused,,didnt realise there were so many layouts etc,,i will be getting a fixed bed purely because i like the fact that the bed is permanent,,and the storage underneath is great for my tools etc,,i also liked the rear bathroom in it,it was a good size shower and bathroom generally, Im not bothered about de cluttering cause the more i walk round here and see what i have amassed in the last 14 years the more i realise what a load of stuff i have i dont need,,,eg tv in every room,,clothes i dont and will never wear, There is more than enough space in a good 4 berth for me,(with a full size awning etc) ,,at least the house im going to sell will allow me the oppertunity to start afresh with a pretty good van and 4x4......and as for work i have discovered a site that advertises work on campsites both in uk and europe and although the money isnt massive the free pitch and use of facilities for what appears to be a few hours work a day is handy should i need it and you never know some sites may need some proper building work done at a price to suit all.....and i have also just found a site that is advertising for bricklayers in germany,holland etc and that is really good money (£1000) per week,,,better than here !! lol are you living in yours full time abi?