Popularity slump of big cars

May 21, 2008
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Today on MSN there's a thread on the reduced popularity of 4X4 and large engined cars.

Our own chancellor has introduced higher taxation on these to try to save the ozone.

To me the easiest and most effective way of reducing un-necessary vehicle usage would of been to scrap conjestion charging and road tax, and then put 0.4p on fuel duty. Which would be more than enough to pay back your current road tax of a 2 litre car doing 35Mpg and an average 15K per annum.

That way all those who want to drive their 4Mpg Hummers round or their 4 Litre jags would pay proportionately more than the average 50Mpg Astra driver. Also we would have the "pay as you go" travel system we see talked about these days.

Sure this would affect us caravanners too, but if you are towing with the most economic vehicle available then you are again being cost affective on the roads.

Placing the revenue collection in the fuel would also weed out all the road tax dodgers we have today and that would bring extra un-accounted revinue into the system. As everyone would have to purchase fuel to drive. Mind you I'd recomend that transport firms don't fuel lorries the night before and we all have armour plated fuel tanks to stop the syphon brigade.

Oh of coarse there is LPG but I'm sure very soon that will be taxed out of the economic alternative range of the motorist's once Gordy has found a way of hiking the tax without causeing a "Green" revolt.

This will be an interesting debate I'm sure and before anyone jumps to conclussions, I'm not jibeing at any particular sector of the vehicle world. I'm just looking at getting a fairer taxation system os that those who do the most damage / pollution to our roads and environment pay their repair contribution.

Why should the retired comany exec doing 5K miles a year pay the same as a 30K mile a year jack the lad in his XK8, or even the supposed poor farmer get away with running red diesel through the family car.

Your thoughts.

Steve.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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We're all 4x4ed out, Steve. Try this subject again in a couple of weeks, you know it makes sense.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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We must never lose site that everything we wear, eat or for that matter own at some point in time uses road haulage as part of its journey to get to us. Increasing fuel costs will inevitably have an influence on the price we all pay for these items. The business I work for supplies chilled food across the UK and the biggest impact on our profitability in recent years have been the increase in fuel prices, a cost which we have no option but to pass on eventually to our customers.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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Well said, Richard S. There used to be a slogan for transport operators a few years ago: " If you've got it, a lorry brought it". Perhaps it's time we resurrected it.
 
Nov 6, 2005
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Or buy locally produced food that hasn't travelled thousands of miles by road. Then we could cut CO output without expecting private motorists to bear the full burden themselves.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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Fuel costs even have an effect on local produce, from a business perspective we support local producers and manufacturers and have grown a business with the ethos of national coverage local perception, with each depot only supplying customers within a fifty mile radius. The only way that we can negate the effect of an increase in fuel prices would be to go back to horse and cart!, but I suppose current refridgeration requirements would not allow that.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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But the snag to that is that the buying public have been brainwashed by the supermarkets. We now expect to be able to buy exotic fruits and to have strawberries at Christmas if we want them!The motorist stuck behind the food lorry on the motorway just won't accept that the lorry is bringing produce for him/her to buy.Therefore, it's his/her fault that the lorry is there!!!
 
Nov 7, 2005
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So it begs the question, what's the point of progress?

Car manufacturers make better and bigger cars - now we're told we're destroying the planet if we buy them.

Supermarkets bring us every possible delicacy we cd hope for - now we're told that the price of bringing them to us is too high.

Airports get bigger and flights get cheaper - but travellers and planes are considered pariahs.

You could go on - power, water, electricals, caravans, etc, etc...

All very confusing. Truth is we live in a fantastic age that can only get better - why should we always be made to feel so guilty about these amazing achievements? If we do, society may as well shut up shop and go back to the dark ages...
 
Sep 14, 2006
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I'm afraid we are in what you might call the rollercoaster of life, it has it's up's, and it has it's down's. Take the rough with the smooth and just keep working on that treadmill stuck in the ratrace looking for that way out, keep chipping away at the block and working that grindstone and who knows you might win the lottery like me..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Nov 7, 2005
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My God, a lottery winner. Truly the anti-Christ, travelling the world, buying supercars, carbon footprint like a Yeti (unless it was only a tenner, in which case you're forgiven!!}

Interesting though, with lottery winners. Why do we all want to win it, but when you do why does everyone despise you?

I was at a swank hotel last year when a lottery winner and family and friends turned up en masse. Most people seemed to find the situation revolting and could hardly find a good word to say about them. Quite put me off winning...
 
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My God, a lottery winner. Truly the anti-Christ, travelling the world, buying supercars, carbon footprint like a Yeti (unless it was only a tenner, in which case you're forgiven!!}

Interesting though, with lottery winners. Why do we all want to win it, but when you do why does everyone despise you?

I was at a swank hotel last year when a lottery winner and family and friends turned up en masse. Most people seemed to find the situation revolting and could hardly find a good word to say about them. Quite put me off winning...
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My wife chose the colour and this is what we've just ordered for the summer. We've had nice cars before but have always promised ourselves something really special so we did what we wanted to do and its a 4 x 4 to boot.

You can't go around answering to others all the time, we have a new house this year and why not enjoy ourselves, no good gettig to 60 or older and then saying "if only I'd" !
 
Nov 7, 2005
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My wife chose the colour and this is what we've just ordered for the summer. We've had nice cars before but have always promised ourselves something really special so we did what we wanted to do and its a 4 x 4 to boot.

You can't go around answering to others all the time, we have a new house this year and why not enjoy ourselves, no good gettig to 60 or older and then saying "if only I'd" !
What did the salesman say when you asked to be quoted for a towbar??
 
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What did the salesman say when you asked to be quoted for a towbar??
The salesman was not a happy bunny as we had two test drives here but placed the order via a car dealer in another country!

We have new X5's on order for the caravanning and its not heavy enough all though it does have enough power {;-)
 
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The salesman was not a happy bunny as we had two test drives here but placed the order via a car dealer in another country!

We have new X5's on order for the caravanning and its not heavy enough all though it does have enough power {;-)
 
Mar 14, 2005
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If I bought a Renault 5 and promised to drive it backwards to somehow simulate a 4x4 (fat chance!) would you shut up trying to antagonise everyone?
 
Mar 14, 2005
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Too right - I heard that a chap who recommended a particular type of carpet slippers was banned from this forum bcause it transpired HE DID NOT HAVE A CARPET!

You cannot be TOO careful yoy know!
 
Nov 7, 2005
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If your "comment" was intended for Steve, you should have posted it using the "comment" facility...

i too, thought you were having a go at Danny, or it could have been euro lauding his fabulous wealth.

anyway, steve seemed to me to be only expressing a perfectly legitimate point of view and not seeking to antagonise anyone. It's not for anyone to tell anyone else to shut up in such an aggressive manner, just because the view's are refuted...
 
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I never said what it cost or what it is Colinn, but we do what we want to do. That is the only thing I'm "lauding"
 

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