Morning its 5:17 and can any one help on this, I have a 2009 2.0 diesel mondeo estate technical permissble maximum towable mass of trailer braked (Kg)1800 this is o.1 on the registration certificate, when I phoned a caravan dealer he told me that it was too heavy are my documents wrong could some one check their one's many thanks.
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The maximum permitted tow may well be 1800kg, which is what i have found searching.
I would suggest that your car weights more in the region of 1550kg.
Licence allowances aside, that would make a weight ratio of some 116%, although not illegal, for towing a caravan i would strongly suggest you don't.
Have a look on your registration document v5 for mass in service, this will give you your cars weight.
To be safe work off 85% of this as the MTPLM of a caravan.
Although no legal bearing this will have allowances for safety etc.
Mat
I would suggest that your car weights more in the region of 1550kg.
Licence allowances aside, that would make a weight ratio of some 116%, although not illegal, for towing a caravan i would strongly suggest you don't.
Have a look on your registration document v5 for mass in service, this will give you your cars weight.
To be safe work off 85% of this as the MTPLM of a caravan.
Although no legal bearing this will have allowances for safety etc.
Mat
slowsod said:
Is your driving licence pre 1997? If so, you will need a B+E to tow anything with a higher MTPLM than the kerweight of the car and this not recommended. I would suggest about 1350kg maximum to be on the safe side.
Perhaps you meant POST rather than PRE.
Check the link for Gov rules.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving-licence-rules-and-what-you-can-tow
Check the link for Gov rules.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car/driving-licence-rules-and-what-you-can-tow
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........actually the UK position is now since the 19th January 2013 even more complicated.
This is the position..........https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car
.......... you can see the rules are totally dependant on when you passed your test and there is still a reference to unladen weight.
PS.....BrianTheSnail has already posted this link.
This is the position..........https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car
.......... you can see the rules are totally dependant on when you passed your test and there is still a reference to unladen weight.
PS.....BrianTheSnail has already posted this link.
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If only whoever wrote the 'Towing with a car guide' for the GOV.UK website took the trouble to read the respective legislation properly, he would have seen that the the conditions covering what one may tow with a category B licence changes retrospectively for everyone with such a licence, not just those who passed their test after the 19th January. There is no longer any reference to unladen weight of the towing vehicle. These changes not only reflect the position in the UK, but throughout the EU.
Can you post a link to these new updated driving restrictions etc as the following is all i coudl find?Lutz said:
31. In regulation 45 (upgrading of entitlements by virtue of passing second test)—
(a)in paragraph (10) for “sub-categories B1 and” substitute “former sub-category B1 or category”; and
(b)in paragraph (11)—
(i)omit “and” at the end of sub-paragraph (a); and
(ii)after sub-paragraph (b) add—
“(c)where, before 19th January 2013, a test was passed, or a licence was held, authorising the driving of motor vehicles in former sub-category D1, references to “sub-category D1” shall include vehicles which would fall within sub-category D1, save that the maximum length of the vehicle exceeds 8 metres,
(d)where, before 19th January 2013, a test was passed, or a licence was held, authorising the driving of motor vehicles in former sub-category D1+E, references to “sub-category D1+E” shall include vehicles which would fall within sub-category D1+E save that the maximum length of the tractor vehicle exceeds 8 metres, and
(e)where, before 19th January 2013, a test was passed, or a licence was held, authorising the driving of vehicles in former category B+E, references to “category B+E” shall include vehicles which would fall within category B+E save that the maximum authorised mass of the trailer or semi-trailer (as the case may be) exceeds 3500 kilograms.”.
(c)after paragraph (11) insert—
“(12) Paragraph (11)(c) and (d) shall apply to references in Schedule 9 to “sub-category D1” and “sub-category D1+E” as that paragraph applies to such references in this regulation.”.
There is no mention of removing the restriction?
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It's not that easy to find the actual spot in the legislation concerned and you have to wade through a lot of text, but the relevant new paragraph can be found under Schedule 3 Item 46 (vi) column 2 of the following amendment of 2012:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/977/schedule/3/made
The above replaces the text of Schedule 2 column 2 of the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/schedule/2/made
The "old" text mentions the restriction. The new one which it substitutes, does not.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2012/977/schedule/3/made
The above replaces the text of Schedule 2 column 2 of the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/schedule/2/made
The "old" text mentions the restriction. The new one which it substitutes, does not.
Lutz said:
My post went past itsd time for editing. I waded through all the text in the 2012 and 2013 Amendments and surprisingly I was unable to find any reference to the kerbweight of the trailer exceeding the kerbweight of the towing vehicle?
Phew eventually found in in the 1996 regulations;Lutz said:
Any motor vehicle, other than a vehicle included in category A, F or P, having a maximum authorised mass not exceeding 3.5 tonnes and not more than 8 seats in addition to the driver’s seat, including–
(i)a combination of such a vehicle and a trailer where the trailer has a maximum authorised mass not exceeding 750 kg, and
(ii)a combination of such a vehicle and a trailer where the maximum authorised mass of the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and the maximum authorised mass of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the tractor vehicle.
However it refers to unladen weight. Does that mean the kerbweight without liquids and driver or MIRO? I am now trying to find if it was revoked at some point.
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According to vehicle Construction & Use Regulations, unladen weight is defined as follows:
the weight of a vehicle or trailer inclusive of the body and all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road, but exclusive of the weight of water, fuel or accumulators used for the purpose of the supply of power for the propulsion of the vehicle or, as the case may be, of any vehicle by which the trailer is drawn, and of loose tools and loose equipment.
That makes it quite clear that it's without all fluids. Some time ago I approached the Department for Transport, pointing out that a "dry" weight is not documented anywhere so it is impossible for the owner to know what his vehicle's unladen weight is. Their reply was that VOSA and other authorities would not interpret the law literally, but would apply the Mass in Service figure documented in the V5c certificate, even though this includes a further 75kg for driver and sundry items, in addition to all fluids. They would leave it to the courts to decide in the event of dispute.
The term "kerbweight" simply doesn't exist in legislation.
the weight of a vehicle or trailer inclusive of the body and all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road, but exclusive of the weight of water, fuel or accumulators used for the purpose of the supply of power for the propulsion of the vehicle or, as the case may be, of any vehicle by which the trailer is drawn, and of loose tools and loose equipment.
That makes it quite clear that it's without all fluids. Some time ago I approached the Department for Transport, pointing out that a "dry" weight is not documented anywhere so it is impossible for the owner to know what his vehicle's unladen weight is. Their reply was that VOSA and other authorities would not interpret the law literally, but would apply the Mass in Service figure documented in the V5c certificate, even though this includes a further 75kg for driver and sundry items, in addition to all fluids. They would leave it to the courts to decide in the event of dispute.
The term "kerbweight" simply doesn't exist in legislation.
In effect there are probbaly some B licence holders towing at close to 100%, but if the law was applied as per the legislation, they are probably guilty of an offence due to the law not being clear and complying with new EU terminology?
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