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DJM

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Please see the information on travelling in France and Spain which is taken from the foreign office website. I think this covers the majority of the subject matter which we have been discussing with no further comments required.

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Mugging incidents have occurred at isolated rest areas on some French motorways, usually those without petrol stations and cafeterias. There is also a continuing problem of burglaries which have been reported as taking place whilst travellers have been asleep in their caravans, mobile homes or other vehicles. Such thefts have been reported throughout France. In some cases, victims may first have been rendered unconscious by the thieves using gas. Try to avoid parking in isolated or dark areas of camping grounds or car parks, and consider installing an alarm in your caravan or mobile home.

In and around Calais and Dunkirk British owned cars have been targeted by thieves, both while parked and on the move (eg by thieves flagging down drivers for a lift or indicating that the vehicle has a flat tyre). In some cases, tyres have been punctured at service stations forcing drivers to stop soon afterwards on the road/motorway. If you decide or need to stop in such circumstances, be extremely wary of anyone offering help, ensure that car keys are not left in the ignition and that the vehicle doors are locked while you investigate the alleged problem.

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Motorists should be on the look out for "highway pirates" who target foreign registered and hire cars, especially those towing caravans. If you decide to stop to check the condition of your vehicle, you should be extremely wary of anyone offering help.

In Catalonia, on the A7 motorway between La Junquera and Tarragona toll stations, there is an increase in 'flag down' robberies. Vehicles are flagged down by passengers in other vehicles, under the pretence of a problem somewhere on the car. Once stationary, the thieves will often use distraction techniques to remove tourists from the vehicle and steal valuable items.

Drivers, especially on the M30 and M40 Madrid ring roads, the A4 and A5 should be wary of approaches by bogus police officers, in plain clothes and travelling in unmarked cars. In all traffic-related matters police officers will be in uniform. Unmarked vehicles will have a flashing electronic sign on the rear window which reads "Policia" or "Guardia Civil", and normally have blue flashing lights incorporated into the headlights, which are activated by the Police when they stop you. In non-related traffic matters police officers may be in plain clothes but in any case members of the public have the right to ask police officers to identify themselves. The Guardia Civil or Police will ask you to show them your documents only and do not request that you hand over your bag or wallet. If in any doubt, drivers should converse through the car window and contact the Guardia Civil on 062 or the Spanish National Police on 112 and ask them to confirm that the registration number of the vehicle corresponds to an official police vehicle. Bogus police officers are also known to operate in the Alicante region.

Drivers, especially on the M30 and M40 Madrid ring roads, the A4 and A5 should be wary of approaches by bogus police officers, in plain clothes and travelling in unmarked cars. In all traffic-related matters police officers will be in uniform. Unmarked vehicles will have a flashing electronic sign on the rear window which reads "Policia" or "Guardia Civil", and normally have blue flashing lights incorporated into the headlights, which are activated by the Police when they stop you. In non-related traffic matters police officers may be in plain clothes but in any case members of the public have the right to ask police officers to identify themselves. The Guardia Civil or Police will ask you to show them your documents only and do not request that you hand over your bag or wallet. If in any doubt, drivers should converse through the car window and contact the Guardia Civil on 062 or the Spanish National Police on 112 and ask them to confirm that the registration number of the vehicle corresponds to an official police vehicle. Bogus police officers are also known to operate in the Alicante region.
 
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The same old FO cover yet again.

Please note it says "ISOLATED & UNMANNED REST AREAS" it also reads

" a continuing problem of burglaries which have been reported as taking place whilst travellers have been asleep in their caravans, mobile homes or other vehicles. Such thefts have been reported throughout France"

Please note it does not say that the reports actually happened or that they are a daily occurence or even that the French Police are warning people off.

It says they were "REPORTED" across France. Not that they all happened!

The report also has " victims may first have been rendered unconscious by the thieves using gas "

Please NOTE again that it says 'MAY HAVE'. scientist reports have shed doubt on the claims re gassing and the FO fail to state that it actually happens!

The FO quote is no different from advice on many areas tourists visit.

A friend has recently emailed and said that her daughter 28 year old daughter is coming home to stay with her whilst she sells her house and changes job.

Her car was broken in to on her drive way, she's been threatened in her back garden by youths trying to steal her rabbit run that dissapeared a few weeks later. The house was broken in to twice last year and she now has a
 

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The same old FO cover yet again.

Please note it says "ISOLATED & UNMANNED REST AREAS" it also reads

" a continuing problem of burglaries which have been reported as taking place whilst travellers have been asleep in their caravans, mobile homes or other vehicles. Such thefts have been reported throughout France"

Please note it does not say that the reports actually happened or that they are a daily occurence or even that the French Police are warning people off.

It says they were "REPORTED" across France. Not that they all happened!

The report also has " victims may first have been rendered unconscious by the thieves using gas "

Please NOTE again that it says 'MAY HAVE'. scientist reports have shed doubt on the claims re gassing and the FO fail to state that it actually happens!

The FO quote is no different from advice on many areas tourists visit.

A friend has recently emailed and said that her daughter 28 year old daughter is coming home to stay with her whilst she sells her house and changes job.

Her car was broken in to on her drive way, she's been threatened in her back garden by youths trying to steal her rabbit run that dissapeared a few weeks later. The house was broken in to twice last year and she now has a
 
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The same old FO cover yet again.

Please note it says "ISOLATED & UNMANNED REST AREAS" it also reads

" a continuing problem of burglaries which have been reported as taking place whilst travellers have been asleep in their caravans, mobile homes or other vehicles. Such thefts have been reported throughout France"

Please note it does not say that the reports actually happened or that they are a daily occurence or even that the French Police are warning people off.

It says they were "REPORTED" across France. Not that they all happened!

The report also has " victims may first have been rendered unconscious by the thieves using gas "

Please NOTE again that it says 'MAY HAVE'. scientist reports have shed doubt on the claims re gassing and the FO fail to state that it actually happens!

The FO quote is no different from advice on many areas tourists visit.

A friend has recently emailed and said that her daughter 28 year old daughter is coming home to stay with her whilst she sells her house and changes job.

Her car was broken in to on her drive way, she's been threatened in her back garden by youths trying to steal her rabbit run that dissapeared a few weeks later. The house was broken in to twice last year and she now has a
 
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Robert, friends daughter went to school with my own daughter. After she graduated from Leeds she started her career there. According to her mother all but one of her colleagues have been burgled. Her company now provide account taxi's for evenings out in Leeds after a Lady account manager joined the ranks of woman staff who felt they were threatened with the behaviour of foreign taxi drivers. Also one of her colleagues moved to a new house in Leeds with her partner and went out to celebrate the move to their newly purcahsed home the day they moved in. They arrived home to a damaged front door and all but empty house.

I'm not put off from going to Yorkshire and guess that some live in crime free areas, but to give up a good job to get away from crime is not very nice.

The police action and words are another sad story of Britain today. Direct Line the inurures were very good handling two burgalry claims, damage repaired promptly and went to great lengths to replace exactly what was stolen.

I believe the newly required by DL Alarm system now fitted to the house is approved by them along with extra door and window security, but the insurance excess has still gone to
 
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Euro

Your reply to me was that you doubt "the world is more dangerous now" (my comment). I was going to say that I have no personal evidence to support this statement, but I think Sadie has now provided it, albeit to demonstrate that it is probably worse in Great Britain than many other countries.

I have been touring for a similar time as Robert, without incident - but I would never think it can't happen to me, and I have to say I am more careful than I used to be - everywhere.

I believe there is more crime now, but I do fully agree with your comments about the media who like to sensationalise it to make a good story. This is particularly frustrating when you hear, for example, of Americans who are frightened to come to this country because they think they will be shot or bombed etc.

Keith
 

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Your reply to me was that you doubt "the world is more dangerous now" (my comment). I was going to say that I have no personal evidence to support this statement, but I think Sadie has now provided it, albeit to demonstrate that it is probably worse in Great Britain than many other countries.

I have been touring for a similar time as Robert, without incident - but I would never think it can't happen to me, and I have to say I am more careful than I used to be - everywhere.

I believe there is more crime now, but I do fully agree with your comments about the media who like to sensationalise it to make a good story. This is particularly frustrating when you hear, for example, of Americans who are frightened to come to this country because they think they will be shot or bombed etc.

Keith
...although less Americans in London could be considered to be a good thing...
 
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I believe there is more crime now, but I do fully agree with your comments about the media who like to sensationalise it to make a good story. This is particularly frustrating when you hear, for example, of Americans who are frightened to come to this country because they think they will be shot or bombed etc.

Keith

So it's not all bad news then.

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Media reports need to be put into perspective. I went to my local bank on Wednesday. Three hours later, three people were shot dead in broad daylight at the ice cream parlour next door. If I had been there then my fate could have been the same as for one of the dead, an innocent passer-by who got caught in the crossfire. However, that isn't going to stop me from going to the bank or to change to a branch in a 'safer' location. The area is otherwise not particularly noted for crime. The cause was a feud between two opposing Turkish groups, apparently because one of the criminals had previously been refused entry into a discotheque. Four people are in custody.
 
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Jo if it is any comfort to you I fully believe your story.

To all those who say you would never wind my steadies up and me not know, Well I have had it done to me and have even done it back without the others knowing.

After a little dram one night 2 groups of our friends did this for a laugh to us.

A year later we were going to Wick and knew that the said friends were staying at Pitlochry so we set off a bit early and by 7.30 am had 8 steadies up 4 tyres flattened and they never knew until we phoned them at 8.

While we all had a great laugh over breakfast it really brought it home to us how much of a wee world we live in when in our can boxes.

I would also like to asure you all that I am no expert caravan stealer, and my compassion extended to a foot pump for them.
 
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"friends were staying at Pitlochry so we set off a bit early and by 7.30 am had 8 steadies up 4 tyres flattened"

I glad I don't have "friends" like you!
 
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"4 tyres flattened"

No thought to the wheel rims damaging the tyre walls and friends being killed when the tyre goes bang!

Winding steadies as a joke (sic) when you can't hold your drink is one thing.

Entering a caravan, stealing keys and other valubles and then detaching the van from the tow hitch when it should be locked on a road side stop is different from boozy campsite antics.

Hope we never pitch next to slowcoach as well or meet the friends ;(
 
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Euros comments about the wheel rims damaging the tyre walls if you let the air out are quite valid. And yet, some people are perfectly happy to have a flat tyre repaired and continue to use it again on the road. Often, even if you remove the tyre in order to carry out the repair you would not necessarily see any damage done to the carcase. Food for thought there, too.
 
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Very surprised at the "attacks" on Jo for reporting this to the forum. I have been aware of the dangers from a wider forum and believe that Jo and family may well have been on the end of a "gas attack" which would have rendered them all uncontious.

Here is a snippet from a Motor Home forum which has been warning about this type of attack for some time.

"occupants of motorhomes are being rendered unconscious by narcotic (sleeping) gases being sprayed into the vehicle before the occupants are robbed.

"The commonest narcotic gas available to criminals is contained in sprays designed to help reluctant vehicle engines to start. These contain diethyl ether, the same sort of gas used to anaesthetise humans for medical operations".
 
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"occupants of motorhomes are being rendered unconscious by narcotic (sleeping) gases being sprayed into the vehicle before the occupants are robbed.

"The commonest narcotic gas available to criminals is contained in sprays designed to help reluctant vehicle engines to start. These contain diethyl ether, the same sort of gas used to anaesthetise humans for medical operations".

Absolute twaddle, I have had a full can of Bradex easey start puncture in the boot of my car, Stank the car out for days, but it did not make me feel sleepy, let alone nock me out. I have asked this question before, why do these criminals never leave any evidence behind, or are they all heavily into conservation.

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Steve is right, Scientific reports on the gassing issue say it is absolute twaddle.

When the PC motorhome forum is up and running you can find the scientific report on there as well. It says the gassing is nigh on impossible!
 
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Grimbo,your first example has nothing to do with " Gassing" and your second example once again is a report of someone thinking that they had been gssaed. No proof offered in any shape or form. I repeat utter twaddle.

Steve W
 

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SteveW

If you have been following this thread with interest and the comments which have been previously discussed, you would see why my first example is valid. I have personally been exposed to "highway pirates" both in France and Spain on more than one occasion and this type of crime against caravanners or motor homers is all relative.

Regarding "gassing" or robberies whilst using Aires or overnight camp sites, you might regard it as "utter twaddle" until it happens to either you, or one of your colleagues.
 
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Grimbo,I am not disputing the fact that robberies take place in Aires and no doubt camping sites, I only dispute the use of narcotic gasses. The one specifically mentioned is ETHYLENE GLYCOL DIETHYL ETHER otherwise known as easy start.

This chemical is heavier than air and would take an enormous amount to reach the level of someone sleeping in a caravan and as it is extremely volatile and does not require a naked flame to explode or catch fire, it could not be used with any certainty if there was any source of ignition such as an electric heater or even the fanmaster system.

I have never heard of a case of fire caused by narcotic gas despite the ever increasing reports of such "Gas attacks"

Steve W
 
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I don't doubt Jo's experiences. I do wonder why, in connection with alleged "gassing" incidents, that the targets appear to be caravanners/holiday makers who usually, I would think, have little cash/valuables worth taking. Why don't these people target lorry drivers parked up in secluded laybys with wagons full of stuff worth stealing? It would make them rich overnight. Even if only a small part of a load was stolen it must be worth more than the cash from a GB caravan.

Steve
 
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Having stolen the car from an aire, how did they get through the next toll booth on the Autoroute with a RHD car with GB plates without a toll ticket? - I've tried it and it didn't work!
 

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