The CRIS number is usually just the VIN so let's drop the reference to CRIS number.
I've not seen the use of TIN except in your posts, it's universally referred to as VIN as a trailer is a vehicle, albeit not a motorised vehicle.
I've not seen the use of TIN except in your posts, it's universally referred to as VIN as a trailer is a vehicle, albeit not a motorised vehicle.
Since when is a trailer not a vehicle? It most certainly is.
CRIS may not be a requirement, but a VIN is. A statutory plate may be a metal plate or a sticker. Its location can be anywhere so long as it is on a component which is not readily replaceable. It is seldom on the chassis.
It seems that the government have got it horribly wrong referring to the VIN as TIN. See HERE.
Wording from inspection manual;
The identification number of the base trailer (TIN) prescribed by
Directive 76/114/EEC shall be retained during all the subsequent
stages of the type-approval process to ensure the traceability of
the process."
None of the above applies to trailers manufactured before Oct 2012.
None of the photographic examples in that link refer to TIN or Trailer Identification Number, they all refer to VIN, Vehicle Identification Number or Chassis Number.
DVLA and VOSA have history in publishing incorrect information.
As I've said before, the gov.uk website is well known for its flaws. There was a serious one not long ago regarding driving licence entitlement on Category B licences issued between 1997 and 2013.
Essentially whatever the means of transport is (Vehicle or Trailer) it has to have an "Identification Number" It might be called a VIN for a motorised vehicle or a TIN for a towed vehicle. These are the required identifiers set out in legislation. The final legal Vehicle/Trailer data plate can only be issued by the final manufacturer - no one else!
Cris does not issue the legal identifier, it is a convenience system instigated by the insurance industry to help fight crime.
The Government's own website is notorious for misinterpreting the underlying legislation a number of differnt areas of law. It should never be relied on as being the definitive source of advice or information when it comes to the legality or otherwise of a process or activity. It is created by Whitehall minions who try to condense pages of legal jargon into a paragraph, and it often misses details which might only be important to a minority.
Cris does not issue the legal identifier, it is a convenience system instigated by the insurance industry to help fight crime.
The Government's own website is notorious for misinterpreting the underlying legislation a number of differnt areas of law. It should never be relied on as being the definitive source of advice or information when it comes to the legality or otherwise of a process or activity. It is created by Whitehall minions who try to condense pages of legal jargon into a paragraph, and it often misses details which might only be important to a minority.
The OP said
”the data plate that contains the s/n and the load information has been lost”.
Not a sticker.
Looking at my Bailey plate it contains the following information
Range
Model
MTPLM
Type Approval Number
Mass in Running Order
Tyre Pressure PSI/BAR
Wheel Bolt Torque
No mention of TINS VINS Axle weights CRIS nor anything else. I can’t comment on other manufacturers plates but as they are a Statutory requirement they must be very similar to mine.
For the record there are stickers inside the locker box with a long number and each axle has a weight load sticker attached.
I know for a fact both Bailey and Swift will supply plates on request including upgraded MTPLM at a price. Why should Elddis or their successors be any different.
”the data plate that contains the s/n and the load information has been lost”.
Not a sticker.
Looking at my Bailey plate it contains the following information
Range
Model
MTPLM
Type Approval Number
Mass in Running Order
Tyre Pressure PSI/BAR
Wheel Bolt Torque
No mention of TINS VINS Axle weights CRIS nor anything else. I can’t comment on other manufacturers plates but as they are a Statutory requirement they must be very similar to mine.
For the record there are stickers inside the locker box with a long number and each axle has a weight load sticker attached.
I know for a fact both Bailey and Swift will supply plates on request including upgraded MTPLM at a price. Why should Elddis or their successors be any different.
The plate that you are referring to here is not the statutory plate because it doesn't display the details that are required by law.
Missing are:
VIN
Max. axle loads
Max. noseweight
On the other hand the plate includes the following details that should not be there, or should at least be clearly separated from those that are legally required:
Range
Model
Mass in Running Order
Tyre Pressure PSI/BAR
Wheel bolt torque
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Amazing! Governmental websites have got it wrong and it seems that caravan manufacturers have also got it wrong.
The plate by the door on my 2012 Swift has nothing on it!
Whatever was there has worn off due to poor materials being used.
However there is a prestine version in the front locker with all the relevant information displayed!
I will direct any enquiries from the
authorities to this plate
That will have to do as far I am concerned.
Whatever was there has worn off due to poor materials being used.
However there is a prestine version in the front locker with all the relevant information displayed!
I will direct any enquiries from the
authorities to this plate
That will have to do as far I am concerned.
But you also say, quote:
Sounds like the sticker in the locker box is the proper (legally compliant) one.
But you said the sticker in the locker box has a long number. Presumably it's the VIN which is always a 17-digit number.
Weight load sticker(s) on the axle(s) have no relevance for the end user. They only have any significance for the caravan manufacturer.
I have mentioned this before, my 2013 Coachman has never had an identification plate in the gas locker ( Front locker ) I asked Coachman about it and they just said, " It might have one in there".
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