SPPEDING CARS AND CARAVANNER"S ON SITE AT BEECHWOOD GRANGE YORK

Nov 5, 2007
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hi folks having just spent 4 nights at beechwood grange,caravan club site in york i wish to applaud the members who consistantly exceeded the 5mph rule around the site.i can only assume that you all must have been in such a rush to get to the sales at the desighner outlet village or back to your caravans for a drink!!!!!!!.only last year a child was killed at the other york site in rowntree park,not speeding related i seem to think.the only way to tackle this problem is to put in speed humps across all sites to discorage the problem.I HAVE GLAD THAT MY CHILDREN ARE GROWN UP NOW AND ARE NOT PUT IN THE POSITION that i experienced this week.i hope the culprits read this and think again when next out in there caravan.

regards

dave
 
Feb 3, 2006
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Your message is too important to make light with the use of sarcasm.

Lets hope everyone sees sense before another terrible accident happens.
 
Mar 14, 2005
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Hi Dave,

We noticed speeding drivers at Chester Fair Oaks over New Year. I have written an e-mail to the club magazine asking for them to reiterate the need to keep speeds down. I reckon some drivers were pushing 30mph on the back road towards the exit barrier.

Regards

Andy
 
Jun 20, 2005
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Hi Dave

I mentioned the same problem at CC Freshwater East last year on another thread.

The culprits were all old enough to know better!

We cannot expect the wardens to police the speeders. I am not a fan of speed humps shaking my caravan to bits.

Maybe a leaflet should be handed out when checking in, explaining speeding is zero tolerance and any offenders will be kicked off site immediately with no refund!

Cheers

Alan
 

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Dec 6, 2006
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Hi all,

Speeders on site are a death risk. I presume the perpatrators were reported to the site and the CC. If not why not?
 
Jun 20, 2005
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SMS

Yes.

But unless the wardens catch them red handed there's no evidence and it can turn nasty as I have witnessed with someone else a few years ago.

What would you do??

Cheers

Alan
 
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Similar situation at Sandringham over the New Year, the culprit in a Volvo was speeding around the site at well over the 5mph, and when he left with his caravan - he must have been doing 30mph. IMO these selfish people are a danger to others, particularly children on bikes - they should be kicked off the site. BTW the perpertrator was in his late 60s, and should damn well know better!!!
 
Mar 14, 2005
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Euro,

Good idea but the speed some of these people drive at by the time you've got the phone/video ready they will be out of sight. I reckon it would be beneficial for the club to invest in a mobile "Gatso" type device along with number plate recognition cameras. These could then be deployed at various sites to catch offenders. Maybe a three offences and your out policy could be employed.

Andy
 
Jun 16, 2008
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This seems to be a problem at all sites, perhaps I notice people speeding more as I have 2 children aged 5 and 4, but it is definately a problem at all the sites I have been too. We were at Whitemead Forest Park at New Year and this was definately a problem there. It is my fifth visit to this site since August and when you check in you are given a questionnaire to fill in about your stay, I have done this everytime I have stayed there and each time I have said about speeding drivers, nothing appears to be done. I also don't liked speed bumps, but if it saves a child's life then it cant be such a bad thing.

What is the rush people you are on holiday please slow down or leave a little earlier I'm sure you would not want the death of a child on your concious!!!
 
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I can plead 'guilty' as I was knucklewrapped at Leek 3 years ago for 'speeding' The site is on a steep hill and I was going down the hill at what I thought was only just over the 10 mph limit, but the warden did advise me in no uncertain terms that I had been 'illegal'.

I accepted the slap on the wrist and ever since have never exceeded the 5 mph limit usually by allowing the car (automatic) to creep at its own pace.

Of course I have now seen others on the same site going faster than my sins (different wardens) and no complaints.

The main problem is that many speedometers do not register until about 5 mph (unless digital)and many drivers are unaware of what speed they are actually doing especially if they are on the 2nd or 3rd circuit trying to get the pitch they saw last time round. Invariably they are the same ones with kids themselves.
 
Feb 15, 2007
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I find speeding on site, totally in-excusable. All sites should operate the same system as the site i go to in France every year. If some reports a speeder to the owners, or they spot one, they have their Car & Reg written on a board outside reception/entrance. The board just has "TOO FAST" on it, the the car and Reg chalked beneth it. It seems to be very effective apart from the worst offenders, age 60+ 4x4 drivers who just, usually, seem totally oblivious to everything & everyone around. I stick to the 10kph limit on the crushed lime stone roadway, a young child shot out from behind a bush, as they do, and i only just managed to stop. So how these idiots would expect to stop from 25/30MPH is beyond me. PLEASE dont get me wrong, is not just OAP's in 4x4s, but they nearly always seem to be the offenders, never the 30-40 yr old, with 2-3 children.
 
Similar situation at Sandringham over the New Year, the culprit in a Volvo was speeding around the site at well over the 5mph, and when he left with his caravan - he must have been doing 30mph. IMO these selfish people are a danger to others, particularly children on bikes - they should be kicked off the site. BTW the perpertrator was in his late 60s, and should damn well know better!!!
Hi Wendy

Don't know if he was the fella we saw speeding there, prbably on Friday.

He came roaring up the hill at Sandringham so fast that we thought the van was going over as he rounded the corner at the top. He then had to slam on his brakes as there was an outfit blocking the road whilst hitching up.

This was the worst bit of site driving we've ever seen.

Lovely week at Sandringham though, in spite of the power cuts.

Keith and Sue from Norwich
 
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Rather than the neat clinical roadways of many UK sites, winding twisting road ways through sites with gravel sections and pinch points formed by using large rocks, fences and hedging and trees is all that is needed to stop the idiots.

It works on many vary large commercial coastal sites on the continent where site roads are cut to wander through existing trees.

If drivers can't be trusted to drive slowly, just make the sites roads more difficult to drive around!
 
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PLEASE dont get me wrong, is not just OAP's in 4x4s, but they nearly always seem to be the offenders, never the 30-40 yr old, with 2-3 children.

Then why go into print with it ???

Peoples Age/Vehile has nothing to do with this issue what so ever. Now to get back onto the subject how do you control it is the issue. I read earlier about a gatso type device, any idea how much these cost ?? the simple speed moniitor like the ones that say thank you, smiley face etc. Cost
 
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this seems to happen on many sites that we have been on and its not just members who speed - I have often seen the wardens certainly exceeding 5 mph on their tractors and going the wrong way down a one way road - not exactly setting an example to everybody else - good idea to post the offenders reg numbers up on a board at the site office - might shame them into slowing down
 
Jun 20, 2005
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Jon said:-

good idea to post the offenders reg numbers up on a board at the site office - might shame them into slowing down.

I for one am not affeared of doing this . Others may not wish to be seen chalking up numbers??

But it does have some merit if supported by the CC.

Jon,

maybe you should write to the CC and seee what their reaction is to your suggestion.

Cheers

Alan
 
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How Do you Judge Speed ???? 5 6 7 8 9 10 mph ??? you can't judge it. If you start to post what "" you think "" is someone offending, then stand by for possible writs, or a smack in the mouth even.

I Do Not Support Speeding on Site, and I don't do it. I would be upset to see some busy body writing my reg on some notice board without concrete evidence. Your Dog Barks so you get your Caravan Pitch number posted on a Notice Board ??? Your Dog fouls the path and you see the person in control of it walking on by, do you follow them and post it on a Site Notice Board ?? All out war is what you are advocating, by the way you follow some one at the toilet and they haven't flushed it Notice Board ??

Step 1 being don't speed on Site or you will get a smack in the mouth, off someone one day

Step 2 is Parents to look after Children.

I never saw the outcome of the Rowntree incident although I know a child tragicaly got killed. Was speeding the root cause ?? or was it as Lutz points out earlier in the thread Site Lay Out. What I am sure of is that the Club will have carried out a risk assessment and will have implemented it.
 
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On another earlier thread on this subject " gentle walking pace" was given as a guide to site speed.

If your going faster than the average couple ambling though a camp site or faster than a two year old wandering along hand in hand with mum and dad surely you know you are then going to fast.

BS about "risk Assessment" and "writs" and club sites, caravanners should be aware that they travel at minimum speed on ALL sites as no risk assessment is ever going to cover a childs mind and actions or an elderly person wandering back to their caravan without their hearing aid in.

Some plum will always push rule boundaries, sites should be laid out in a manner that prevents drivers taking risks.

Large boulders on corners and used to form pinch points also work on Motorway stops to stop speeding and risk taking.

Rather than moan and groan site management just need to shake up the roadway layouts.

It even works on race tracks for messrs Hamilton and Alonso and Co. Organisers put in chicanes and tight bends and high kerbs and narrow entrance with solid walls on the pit lane to make sure the cars slow down to protect the pit crews.

It also works in urban side streets.

A few boulders, trees, bushes and wooden posts to narrow the road ways would not break the bank and have positive results without all the griping.
 
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Like others I have become drawn into this thread, but is speeding a real problem on CC sites ???

Boulders narrowing of roadways looks like you could clip your van easily ( if the boilder is sufficient to reduce speed it must be tight )

No child under 10 be on a site unsupervised. After all you must supervise your Dog on a CC Site, that's not the answer to speeding but it does prevent Children being harmed
 
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Gumbo

I had in mind the speedsters who have just got into 3rd gear on the straight. I think anyone can tell their speed.I will happily record their number and chalk it up. However I agree I'd hate to see a load of Hitlers chalking up. Let's leave all the other 101 complaints for other threads and focus on the speeding issue.

What seems clear to me from the posts so far is that speeding is an issue and needs to be resolved.

I partly like Euros suggestions but wonder if that may in turn lead to people damaging their caravans etc? I suppose plastic bollards may help , but then someone needs to put them back after the speedster has knocked them down??

I've never seen the official report on the Rowntree park tragedy. Maybe it's time something was issued just to remind people of the dangers. As far as I know from the columns I have read there was no suggestion the Club member driver was doing anything wrong but clearly a very sad accident happened.

Cheers

Alan
 
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Gumbo

I had in mind the speedsters who have just got into 3rd gear on the straight. I think anyone can tell their speed.I will happily record their number and chalk it up. However I agree I'd hate to see a load of Hitlers chalking up. Let's leave all the other 101 complaints for other threads and focus on the speeding issue.

What seems clear to me from the posts so far is that speeding is an issue and needs to be resolved.

I partly like Euros suggestions but wonder if that may in turn lead to people damaging their caravans etc? I suppose plastic bollards may help , but then someone needs to put them back after the speedster has knocked them down??

I've never seen the official report on the Rowntree park tragedy. Maybe it's time something was issued just to remind people of the dangers. As far as I know from the columns I have read there was no suggestion the Club member driver was doing anything wrong but clearly a very sad accident happened.

Cheers

Alan
Pinch points on a straight roads make drivers go slow and take care.

If any Caravanners are unable to drive through a gap that is slightly wider than the widest caravan then they shouldn't be on the roads in the first place.

Wide turns with some form of substantial barrier to stop corner cutting and speed should not lead to damaged caravans.

Better to sacrifice a few bad drivers panels and maybe get them off the roads than sacrifice a child whilst debating chalked plate numbers, speed cameras or shaming and confronting people.
 
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Pinch points on a straight roads make drivers go slow and take care.

Come on, if any Caravanners are unable to drive through a gap that is wider than the widest caravan then they shouldn't be on the roads in the first place.

Wide turns with some form of substantial barrier to stop corner cutting and speed should not lead to damaged caravans.

Better to sacrifice a few bad drivers panels and maybe get them off the roads than sacrifice a child whilst debating chalked plate numbers, speed cameras or shaming and confronting people.
 
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If it was that simple then one has to ask why the clubs and other site owners haven't introduced them before.

Who's going to ask the Clubs?

Cheers

Alan
 

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