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I think the only way you would be able to shoot whilst on a CL is with the owners permission,failure to get permission results in armed trespass even if the gun isnt loaded.

Point to note It is an offence to fire an airgun within 50 feet of the centre of a public highway. This applies even if you are on private property adjacent the highway. Public highways include roads, bridleways and public footpaths.

I dont know what would happen if you had permission from the landowner to shoot and you injured someone or their property?
 
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Shayne's question might be better answered on a shooting website.

Surely if you want a small boy to accompany you on shooting trips it would be better to find the venue where this activity would take place first and then find a suitable caravan site nearby.

I wouldn't imagine that this pastime would be all that enjoyable for any wild birds which were shot by an inexperienced child using a low powered air rifle. A clean kill could not be guaranteed and how would these wounded birds be retrieved?

Are you aware of how many endangered species of birds there are in the British Isles?

There are many other pursuits that are eminently suitable for a 10 year old boy to enable him to achieve concentration, co ordination and to enjoy fresh air but perhaps the shock horror aspect of shooting at birds and small mammals is meant to elicit comment from forum members.
Killing and Hobby are not words I'd use together. I'm not sure how parents or their children feel when they found the boys Hobby is shooting and killing birds.
 
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The following pests are considered suitable for controlling using a sub-12 ftlb Airgun.

Brown Rat, Grey Squirrel, Rabbit, Crow, Rook, Magpie, Jay, Wood pigeon, Collared Dove, Feral Pigeon, House mouse, Sparrow, Starling, and recently Mink have been added to the list.

These are not always considered pests and only Authorised Persons can shoot them in all circumstances.

Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981

All bird and animals are protected by law. Certain species are classified as pests or vermin and only these species can be legitimately shot and then only by authorised persons. An Authorised Person is someone who has the proper permission from the land owner to control pests on that land.

Within that list of designated pests some are not suitable prey for an airgun producing less than 12 ftlbs.
 
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Killing and Hobby are not words I'd use together. I'm not sure how parents or their children feel when they found the boys Hobby is shooting and killing birds.
not to start something that should only be a yes or no answer but if a child/kid catches a fish to eat whilst fishing what if any difference apart from materials why is it bad because its a rifle and ok because its a line.rod and hook which tests have proved is more stressfull and painfull compared to shooting.this is done by measuring the amount of adrenaline in the fish's system to that of a rabbit.3/4 of all rabbits shot are sold onto butchers for pies and stews.

this was a legit question .i am not some stupid idiot who goes/sneaks around without permission or the right skills.

shayne
 
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I am sure my friend would not be happy with this thread as he bought a brand new Swift Challenger at Easter and whilst away last week it took two air gun pellet hits,whilst they were in it,the site was Dulverton so I presume airguns are allowed around there.
i would think that these were stupid kids out with a gun that there not so bright family gave them.they could be charged if caught under the firearms act.

they should have called the police
 
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I can't believe most of the replies to this post - a mixture of the self-righteous and idiotic!

Again I would say, Shayne, contact a few CLs or CSs in the area you want to go. A lot are on farms - contact the land-owner and see if he would mind.

Certainly there were kids shooting at Lexhayne Farm - and it was nice to see, in these PC times, kids behaving responsibly with their father, and enjoying a traditional rural pursuit.

Good luck.
 
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these are the rules/law for air gunners.

please note these as they may help other caravaners who may not know .what and when to call police.

most air gunners will let the police know where they are going and what permission they have.so if you see something it does not cost much to phone the police with your inquiry.

if an air gunner does not follow there laws then please phone the police as these people are the ones who give others the bad name and opinions which some of the replies to my topic have proved

thanks shayne

Essential airgun advice

YOUNG GUNS AND THE NEW LAWS.

The Anti-Social Behaviour Act, 2003 alters the age limits at which youngsters can own and shoot their airguns - but although it's been widely publicised that the age limits have been increased from 14 to 17, a number of provisos have been included which, in practice, means there's not a significant change to the existing law!

You will not be able to 'own' an airgun until you're 17. It's now an offence to give someone under 17 an airgun - and no under-17 can be in possession of an airgun unless they're supervised by someone at least 21 years old, or are using it at an approved shooting club.

However, from the age of 14 you can shoot your airgun on your own and without adult supervision provided you are on private land and have the consent of the landowner.

However, it will be an offence if the pellet strays beyond that land's boundary and you are not allowed to transport your airgun to the place you are shooting until you are at least 17 years old.

General airgun advice

Airguns are also used for both formal and recreational target shooting as well as hunting and vermin control. With target shooting, the targets range from simple 'bullseye' paper targets in indoor ranges, to more complex 'field targets' that are set out in woodland and represent typical airgun quarry.

Many airgunners also enjoy informal target shooting within the privacy of their own back gardens, where the targets could be anything from paper to tin cans.

Airgun shooting is also the perfect introduction for young people into the sport of shooting, where all of the basic principles - including safety - can be taught.

Air gunning is an extremely safe, and enjoyable, sport to participate in, no matter what level you shoot at, as long as few basic, and commonsense, rules are followed. The most important rule of all of course is safety! Never, ever point your airgun at anyone!

Trespass

It is against the law to trespass on any land (including land covered by water) or in any building whilst you have an air gun with you. Whether the gun is loaded and whether or not you have pellets with you is irrelevant. If you go onto land without permission you are trespassing unless there is some right of access for the public. If there is a right of access for the public the restrictions set out above will apply.

Trespass with an air gun is 'armed trespass', a criminal offence, the penalties for which can be severe.

As well as the offences already mentioned it is against the law to fire an air rifle within 50 feet of the centre of a carriageway, if by doing so, you cause any member of the public using that right of way to be injured, interrupted or endangered.

This offence could be committed for example, by someone on private property close to a road who uses an air rifle in a way which endangered people on the road.

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Behaviour in the Field

As well as the legal aspects there's the 'Countryman's Code' to follow if you go hunting with an air rifle. Basically this can be summarised as follows.

Always advise the owner and/or tenant in good time if you want to go shooting and check that it is convenient.

Always confirm with the owner and/or tenant what quarry you may shoot.

Always respect the owner's property, crops, livestock and fences and follow the County Code. Open gates rather than climb them, and close them after you. Climb a secured gate at the hinge end. Never break fences, walls, rails or hedges. Never walk in standing corn. Keep your dog under control if you use one. Avoid disturbance to livestock at all times.

Never leave litter, and whenever possible collect that left by others.

Always treat an air rifle as though it were loaded, and keep its barrel pointing in a safe direction.

On picking up or being handed an air rifle, check immediately to ensure it is not loaded, i.e. that it is uncocked and that there is no pellet in the breech.

Before you fire your rifle, consider where the pellet will go should it miss your intended target, to ensure that no damage or harm can result.

Always bear in mind the possibility of a ricochet.

Never put down a loaded air rifle or leave it unattended.

Use of a sound moderator can minimise disturbance to wildlife, livestock and other countryside users.

Remember that all shooters will be judged by your actions and ensure that your conduct is always above reproach. Always try, whenever possible, to encourage the same attitude in your shooting companions and in any other shooters with whom you come into contact. Above all, be safe and be sensible.

Sub-title: At the End of the Day

Always leave your shoot in the condition in which you would like to find it. Make sure that you collect all your equipment.

It is courteous to thank the owner and occupier and to offer him something from the bag if you have shot any edible quarry.

Take care of your edible quarry; store it in a cool place. Never waste it.

Non-edible vermin quarry should be disposed of discreetly and very carefully and in a manner which will not create a health hazard. This is a legal requirement.

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The Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003

The Anti-Social Behaviour Act, 2003 brought in measures that, amongst other things, affected airgunners. The new act is aimed at tackling the misuse of airguns and from now on it will be illegal to have an airgun - loaded or not - in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse.

Part 5 of the new Act introduces some specific changes to the existing airgun legislation - though this mainly relates to young gunners (see below) and those shooters who own air cartridge-powered airguns, which the government has dubbed Self Contained Gas Cartridge airguns, or SCGCs.

Despite the nomenclature, it's important not to confuse SCGC with CO2 'gas guns' or any other type of airgun - gas-driven, spring-powered or pneumatic - as the new law relates only to air cartridge-powered air pistols and rifles.

Primarily, this means Brocock air cartridge revolvers, pistols and rifles which use the Tandem or Micro air cartridge systems - but it will also apply to Western replica models by Pietta and Uberti which fire by air cartridges, and older air cartridge guns by Saxby-Palmer and Crown which used similar air cartridge systems.

Since 20 January, 2004 it has been illegal for anyone to sell one of these guns (without specific approval from the Secretary of State), and under a government-issued Commencement Order, it will be illegal to possess any air cartridge-powered airgun after 30 April this year unless you have either been granted a Firearms Certificate (FAC) or have begun the process of applying for one via the Firearms Department of your local police constabulary.

If you apply for a licence for your air cartridge airgun- specifically a Section One Firearms Certificate, renewable every five years - the procedure will be roughly the same as it would be for any firearm. with the exception that the Act disapplied the provision to show 'good reason for ownership' for these types of low-powered airguns.

If you apply for an FAC, you will not be allowed to modify your air cartridge-powered airgun's power beyond the existing limit; the certificate will be issued on the condition that the pistol, revolver or rifle's power remains roughly at the same level at which the manufacture designed it. This means under 6 ft. lbs. for pistols, and under 12 ft. lbs. for rifles.

As with any application for an FAC, you will have to demonstrate to the police that you have a satisfactory level of security in your home - although this varies between police forces; some are likely to be stricter than others and insist on a gun safe and, possibly, even an alarm and/or special locks fitted to your house.

The application process will also vary between regional police forces and if your particular Firearms Enquiry Department is inundated with applications, it may be (and is likely) that you won't know whether you've been granted an FAC or not by April 30. This doesn't matter; what matters is that you began the application process before that date.

Unlike with other licensed firearms, the Anti-Social Behaviour Act allows for on-ticket air cartridge-powered airguns to be used in your back-garden, too, in the same manner in which you probably used them before.

However, the new offence of possessing a firearm in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, and new transportation stipulations, will apply should you take the gun off your private premises - and it will be an offence should your pellets stray beyond the boundary of your land.

You should also be aware that if you are successful in your application to obtain an FAC for your air cartridge-powered airgun, you have that airgun for life. Unlike other forms of firearms, the Act places a total ban 'on the sale, manufacture and import' of SCGCs. That means that even if you want to sell your air cartridge gun to another FAC holder in a few years' time, you can't.

However, you will be able to purchase certain spares, including air cartridges, for your air cartridge-powered airgun(s) in the future, though anything more than 'minor modifications' - i.e. replacement of cartridge seals, sights - will need to be carried out by a Section 5-authorised gunsmith or dealer. You will not be able to directly buy component parts of the gun, nor work on anyone else's gun.

If you wanted to add a silencer, you would have to declare this on your FAC and apply for a 'variation' to your licence.

You will also only be able to get your air cartridge-powered guns serviced/maintained through Section 5-qualified gunsmiths and gun dealers - although they will not be allowed to increase the gun's power level and you may have to use a government-approved transportation company if sending the gun to them (this area is still to be finalised).

If you decide not to apply for an FAC for your air cartridge-powered, you really only have one choice: you must hand it in to the police by 30 April, 2004. (There is provision to apply to have the gun de-activated - but there are strict conditions that apply and you will need to discuss this with your Firearms Enquiry Officer. In view of the reason why SCGCs have been banned in the first place, such a request is unlikely to be readily granted.)

Once you've handed in your air cartridge-powered airgun to the police, it will then be destroyed and, sadly, you will be given no compensation for its loss. This is a decision the government has made, despite huge campaigning by shooting organisations and groups over the past year.

Even if your air cartridge-powered airgun is producing a power level below the existing legal limits - the case with the vast majority of them - it will be a very serious offence if you possess the gun after April 2004 without a licence.

Under the Criminal Justice Act, 2003, possession of a Section 5 Prohibited Weapon - which is what SCGCs will become after 30 April - will make you liable for a minimum jail sentence of five years.
 
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Whats wrong with sailing, windsurfing, kite surf, canoeing, cycling, climbing.

Or how about building RC cars, planes or choppers. Great fun racing or flying them and kids learn practical skills rebuilding them or upgrading them in the evenings rather than sat in front of the box.
in this day and age it came down to
 
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Where did you get that information from Shayne?

Lisa
its a government doc. which is disclosed on all air gun magazines and web sites ,lisa .its also the law for the uk

so to answer all comments made to me .i do not go out with gun in hand and just shoot on the sly.

which is why i asked in the 1st place

shayne
 
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its a government doc. which is disclosed on all air gun magazines and web sites ,lisa .its also the law for the uk

so to answer all comments made to me .i do not go out with gun in hand and just shoot on the sly.

which is why i asked in the 1st place

shayne
 

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