Teething problems - 2nd attempt

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Hi,

We took our brand new caravan for its first outing last week, and met the following problems.

MOVER. To test, before departure, I left the rollers disengaged, pressed various buttons, and got zilch. Unfortunately, I had taken the instructions home, and now I can’t find them. From memory, I have to press the red button on the remote and hold it for a few seconds. The button should illuminate to show it is ready to be used. It didn’t. I tried replacing the batteries, but still nothing. Am I missing something, or forgotten something? Should the rollers rotate if not connecting with the tyre?

FRIDGE. Switching the fridge to MAINS illuminates the switch ..... Bright enough to walk to the loo in middle of night. But throwing the battery switch does not illuminate that switch. Should it?

INTERIOR LAMPS. These are little metal boxes over the table and kitchen area, running off the battery. These get very, very, hot. I burnt my fingers, no blister but painful, but then, I only touched it for a second. Can this be right?

WATER LEAK. We noticed water running from under the kitchen unit. Investigation showed that there was a leak from somewhere under the sink tap when the pump was running (to feed the toilet sink tap). It may be a jubilee clip needs tightening, or it may be a fault (crack?) in the tap. I am getting to old to go wriggling into tiny cupboards with a screwdriver.

GRAPHICS. Barbara noticed that one of the stick-on stripes was “lifting” where it it turned into the door frame. Maybe cutting 6mm off the end with a scalpel will solve the problem ..... Or maybe it won’t.

FLOOR COVERING. There is a bulge in the “lino” in the toilet compartment. I didn’t go wriggling underneath, but I would not be surprised to find it was a projecting bolt head, for the OSR steady jack. It won’t be long before whatever it is breaks through the “lino”.

NOSE WEIGHT. At front of van, in the trunk, there was ONE 7kg gas bottle, the wheel clamp, and hook up cable. The leisure battery was under the front bench. The (empty) Wastemaster trolley thingy was under the front table. At the rear, I had put the 2 gallon water bottle under the sink (end kitchen) after pouring half its contents into the WC reservoir. WC receiver was empty. Kitchen cupboards held a few plastic dishes, and very few cans of food. The nose weight was, at a guestimate, about 30kg. But she was stable behind my SUV, although it pitched violently on a rough road. The van has a MGW of 850kg.

I would expect all these faults (if they are faults) to be fixed under warrantee, but the (only) dealer is about 150 miles away. What is the normal procedure in such cases?

Please advise.

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602, that's a hell of list on a brand new van, and I wish you well with it. BUT, it begs the question again: we all know that new vans will have lots of faults; it seems to be generic.SO WHY THE HELL DO PEOPLE BUY THEM?
Stop buying and the makers might begin to realise that they're doing it wrong, and start to build in quality, which is sadly lacking at the moment.
Sorry 602, and I do sincerely hope you get it sorted.
 
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602 said:
NOSE WEIGHT. At front of van, in the trunk, there was ONE 7kg gas bottle, the wheel clamp, and hook up cable. The leisure battery was under the front bench. The (empty) Wastemaster trolley thingy was under the front table. At the rear, I had put the 2 gallon water bottle under the sink (end kitchen) after pouring half its contents into the WC reservoir. WC receiver was empty. Kitchen cupboards held a few plastic dishes, and very few cans of food. The nose weight was, at a guestimate, about 30kg. But she was stable behind my SUV, although it pitched violently on a rough road. The van has a MGW of 850kg.
I can't see a fault here even though 30kg noseweight is very low. Probably the only reason why the caravan was still so stable was its low MGW of only 850kg. If it were higher, you could have expected bigger problems. But it is always the responsibility of the owner to adjust the noseweight to the necessary level so one cannot blame the manufacturer, even though the ex works noseweight may, in some cases, be rather unfavourable and require more than usual readjustment of load distribution.
 

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Any faults should be rectified by the caravan dealer 602 and the water leak definitely needs attention before you can use the caravan. You wrote that you poured half the 2 gallon water container into the wc reservoir which meant that you had the remaining gallon under the sink and this would weigh 8kg plus the 8kg in the wc reservoir. 16kg at the back of your caravan, hmmm.
No wonder the noseweight was low and I can't help wondering if the pitching over the rough road that you mentioned might have loosened something to cause a leak? It might be better not to fill the toilet reservoir before travelling and move the remaining gallon of water further forward or obtain water on site to reduce the weight.

Halogen bulbs generate a lot of heat which may be why the lamp surrounds get hot too, if you fit led bulbs you can have the same amount of light but without the heat.
I'm sorry that I have no suggestions for the fridge, motor mover and lino problems, perhaps other forum members may be able to offer some advice?

Unfortunately the distance to the dealers means a 300 mile round trip at your own expense.

Not much use in your case now 602 but if anyone buys a caravan from a dealer which is a significant distance from their home they have to factor in the cost of travelling to and from the dealer for servicing and if repairs under warranty become necessary.

It might have been a better idea to try out your caravan somewhere not too far from the dealers to see if there were any faults.
Once again a caravan buyer has been let down by a dealer presumably not carrying out a proper p.d.i.
You could telephone the dealer to make them aware of the faults to see if they have any suggestions.
 
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Sorry to hear this tale woe 602.
I'm surprised most of these didn't crop up at the handover inspection and demonstration.
Anyway if your caravan is a Swift or Bailey they will usually allow a qualified mobile engineer to assist you. Best to contact the manufacturer for a contact.
You will know from all the numerous posts on here from Prof John and others exactly where you stand contractually and how SOGA affects the situation. Your contract is with the dealer, not the manufacturer. No matter what happens I suggest you take as many photos of the problem areas and post them with a letter to the dealer setting out each item of complaint.
As a word of advice to others I suggest if you are buying a caravan from a dealer many miles away you do a thorough handover double check of absolutely everything. Stay overnight at a site near the dealer and really put the caravan through its paces. Any problems can then be resolved fairly quickly without having to incur extra travel.
 

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You wrote that you poured half the 2 gallon water container into the wc reservoir which meant that you had the remaining gallon under the sink and this would weigh 8kg plus the 8kg in the wc reservoir. 16kg at the back of your caravan, hmmm.

Hi Parksy and all,
A gallon of water weighs 10lbs, which equates to 4.5 kg (I think), so I had 9kg in the rear end. Another 7kg gas bottle in the front will compensate for most of that, but I suspect that what I really need is an awning under the front bunk. But surely, a caravan should be legal to tow when it is empty?.
The pitching only occured as we were leaving the campsite, and the leak was noticed while we were on the campsite. The leak was only a drip, and I doubt that it would have been noticed during a PDI unless the taps were left running continuously for several minutes. We only noticed it because I had parked the van slightly nose down, so the water ran out from under the cupboard.
I will write to the dealer, see what he has to say, before getting into names and packdrill. But from the responses here, it seems that the cost of returning the van is down to me, unless I can persuade them to pay a local bloke. Having the jobs done locally would probably cost me less than fuel for £300 miles.
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I have to admit 602 there were a few minor problems with the Wyoming when new. I found it easier and cheaper for me to get the dealer to post me the parts and I fitted them myself. Not right but it didn't hurt my wallet.
 

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Hi Dustydog,
Yeah, I guess we will finish up paying for the work ourselves. But its probably worth the price of a stamp to see if we can get a contribution. The appears to be no legislation about "return to dealer for repair/exchange".
But then, there used to be the requirement to have all work carried out by an approved repairer, else you voided the warrantee ..... and then something big went wrong. I think that has all changed.
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602 said:
You wrote that you poured half the 2 gallon water container into the wc reservoir which meant that you had the remaining gallon under the sink and this would weigh 8kg plus the 8kg in the wc reservoir. 16kg at the back of your caravan, hmmm.

Hi Parksy and all,
A gallon of water weighs 10lbs, which equates to 4.5 kg (I think), so I had 9kg in the rear end. Another 7kg gas bottle in the front will compensate for most of that, but I suspect that what I really need is an awning under the front bunk. But surely, a caravan should be legal to tow when it is empty?.

602

Apologies 602, I seem to have mixed up litres with gallons
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The caravan is of course legal to tow but the towing code recommends a noseweight of 7% of the laden weight of the caravan and the caravan should tow better with a noseweight as close as possible to that figure.

When we bought our Abbey four years ago the end caps of the grey waste pipes were part of a faulty batch.
I contacted Swift through this forum and they sent a replacement set of end caps which I fitted myself because my supplying dealer is some distance from where I live.
If you decide to use a mobile engineer check that he is fully ncc approved to preserve your warranty, I've used an approved mobile engineer to service our caravan and his work was most satisfactory, he charged significantly less than the dealer and of course I didn't have to undertake a long trip.
 
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602 said:
MOVER. To test, before departure, I left the rollers disengaged, pressed various buttons, and got zilch. Unfortunately, I had taken the instructions home, and now I can’t find them. From memory, I have to press the red button on the remote and hold it for a few seconds. The button should illuminate to show it is ready to be used. It didn’t. I tried replacing the batteries, but still nothing. Am I missing something, or forgotten something? Should the rollers rotate if not connecting with the tyre?
On our mover you have to press the red button twice to activate the system. If you haven't got instructions there will be some on the web somewhere. Is there an isolator switch for the mover? There usually is and if it is not switched on you will not get a red light on the remote. And yes, the rollers do rotate (at least on ours they do) even if not connected to the tyres.
 
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powrtouch Mover??,I have to press the 2 red buttons at the same time to activate the hand set, also if the isolation switch is not turned OFF for some time you will have to reset the control box by switching the isolator OFF for several minutes before switching on again
halogen light bulbs do get very hot
van pitching violently classic sign of too much weight in the rear causing so called pendulum effect make sure that toilet & water heater is empty & move every thing you can forward. The legal requirement for nose weight is 35KG or 4% 0f the mtplm the recommended weight is 7%
the bulge under the lino is a problem. as you say it will not be long before whatever it is causes a hole & as the lino is laid before furniture is fitted it cannot be lifted to remove whatever is under it . loose graphics,& the water leak are also the dealers problem
I would certainly be on to them for some sort of solution .One new owner on another forum with a similar problem had his caravan replaced
 
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My Mover 602 you have to switch on the battery isolator swith and conect the 13pin plug into the socket at the front to complete the circuit.

On our first trip out I forgot to connect the 13pin plug to the socket at the front of the caravan and could not work out why the mover would not work.

It was only after phoning the dealer and going through a step by step process I realised what I had done I felt stupid but at least it has now sunk in
 

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If you decide to use a mobile engineer check that he is fully ncc approved to preserve your warranty

Hi Parksy,

Thanks for that advice, not something I knew or would have thought of.

A mobile service engineer visits my storage site on a regular basis (maybe frequent rather than regular). I'll ask him for his credentials. Even if he isn't qualified, he should be able to tell me how to operate my mover.

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Hi,
I eventually got my finger out, wrote to the dealer. Got a very prompt reply.
The remote control for the mover is activated by pressing the bed button TWICE.
The fridge only operates on 12 volts when the van is connected to the towcar. Or in my case, when I convert the car to 13 pin socket (I'm using an adaptor at present).
The defects have been passed to the Service Dept.

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I'm not sure how Imissed this one when it was first posted, but I see not all the issues have been resolved, so perhaps a few point may need clarification.

From the original post and subsequent follow up posts the nose weight/load issue is still not closed.

Legally the DRIVER of an outfit is required to ensure the outfit is safe and road legal before towing. This includes ensuring the nose load is adjusted to suit the outfit. The nose load can significantly affects the stability of a trailer, but as the load in the car and trailer changes so will the optimum nose load for that journey. Consequently you cannot have a fixed value of nose load that is ideal for all journeys. Though in practice many people find that sticking to one figure plus or minus a few Kg is usually satisfactory.

EU regulations require that the nose load should fall within a window of values determined by a minimum value of 25Kg (not TD42's 35Kg)or 4% of the trailers weight and the maximum must not exceed the lower of either cars or trailers nose load limit as specified by each manufacture. For practical purposes the 4% is usually based on the trailers MTPLM.

Parksy mentions 7%. This is a committee derived 'ideal' figure and like the 85% and 100% ratio figures often banded about by the CC and others, it has no legal significance, and worse no specific technical merit. In some cases the 7% is simply not achievable with modern outfits.

The nose load should be adjusted so that at all towing speeds the outfit remains in control of the driver with no instability.

Generally speaking most people find that using a nose load towards the top of the available range provides the best towing experience.
 

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