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The ultimate sacrifice and no mention of it!
- Thread starter Surfer
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What I find the saddest part is their ages. They hadn't even started to live. I don't think those who fight in Afghanistan can compare to what they had to endure. And those poor buggers in the trenches during 1914-18 were sacrificed.
JonnyG said:
Well if you cannot see the difference in the different types of fighting perhaps you shouldn't comment. Also in 1914-18 and 1939-45 we were fighting for our very existence and liberty whereas we shouldn't be in Afghanistan, in Iraq before that and Libya as at present. This doesn't mean that I feel any less sorry for those killed or their families and nowhere in my post did I infer it.
Having dealt with death from many causes, be it accidental, murder, manslaughter or natural causes you are the last person that I need to lecture me on the subject and try to tell me what death is
Now run along and block someones passage
Parksy
Moderator
Getting away from arguments about the perceived rights and wrongs of various conflicts I watched a very moving documentary called Our War on BBC3 earlier which brought some of the realities of the conflict in Afghanistan home in a very graphic way.
It was filmed by real soldiers using 'helmet cams', some soldiers film footage of the action to post on the internet and it gets around any MOD ban on information.
In the film Private Chris Gray who was walking point on an offensive patrol was shot in an engagement with the Taliban who had set an ambush, most of our squaddies were fresh faced 18 and 19 year olds and the struggle to evacuate and treat Pte Gray was brought straight to our living rooms in this documentary which is in three parts.
Pte Gray was pronounced dead on the Chinook helicopter.
The next film is about the bomb disposal guys who have to deal with the mass of IED's.
It was filmed by real soldiers using 'helmet cams', some soldiers film footage of the action to post on the internet and it gets around any MOD ban on information.
In the film Private Chris Gray who was walking point on an offensive patrol was shot in an engagement with the Taliban who had set an ambush, most of our squaddies were fresh faced 18 and 19 year olds and the struggle to evacuate and treat Pte Gray was brought straight to our living rooms in this documentary which is in three parts.
Pte Gray was pronounced dead on the Chinook helicopter.
The next film is about the bomb disposal guys who have to deal with the mass of IED's.
you were an ambulance driver! in peace time! not a bloody medic on the war front! You went home after your shift!Lord Braykewynde said:JonnyG said:
Well if you cannot see the difference in the different types of fighting perhaps you shouldn't comment. Also in 1914-18 and 1939-45 we were fighting for our very existence and liberty whereas we shouldn't be in Afghanistan, in Iraq before that and Libya as at present. This doesn't mean that I feel any less sorry for those killed or their families and nowhere in my post did I infer it.
Having dealt with death from many causes, be it accidental, murder, manslaughter or natural causes you are the last person that I need to lecture me on the subject and try to tell me what death is
Now run along and block someones passage
Makes your opinion no more valid than anyone else! Talk about trying to upp your standing! The nearest you have been to a war torn area is the que at the post office on pension day!
At least i know my opinion is of no more value,than anyone else but at least [bad choice of phrase i know] i have seen the desperation on people faces, and death piled up! Frankly you old softy yours is possibly the last person whos opinion is valid on this subject. Now be a good old boy and wash the caravan...........
Damian
Moderator
I cannot believe what is happening here.
A very sensible topic was started and a very sensitive one at that, yet some people have now dragged it down to stupid personal comments along the lines of "Ive seen more than you".
For Gods sake have some respect for the dead, whoever they are and however they died,,,it WILL be YOUR turn one day.
A very sensible topic was started and a very sensitive one at that, yet some people have now dragged it down to stupid personal comments along the lines of "Ive seen more than you".
For Gods sake have some respect for the dead, whoever they are and however they died,,,it WILL be YOUR turn one day.
you were an ambulance driver! in peace time! not a bloody medic on the war front! You went home after your shift!
Makes your opinion no more valid than anyone else! Talk about trying to upp your standing! The nearest you have been to a war torn area is the que at the post office on pension day!
At least i know my opinion is of no more value,than anyone else but at least [bad choice of phrase i know] i have seen the desperation on people faces, and death piled up! Frankly you old softy yours is possibly the last person whos opinion is valid on this subject. Now be a good old boy and wash the caravan...........
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Come on Jonny things have changed a bit. During WW2 my dad and uncles were fighting for our freedom against the Germans, Italians and Japanese. We didn't ask for the war they did. My uncle had it worst, hand to hand combat at Monte Casino.
Dad visited Germany many times at 20,000 feet. Having dealt with many serious fires and explosions in my time I can tell you our emergency services in this country deserve a medal for the terrific traumas they have to see. How would you like to pick up the head of an 17 year old boy who's motorbike collided with a tractor. His body was 20 yards away! Even the attending police officer was sick!!
I'd like no War at all but how else do you stop the lunatics like Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam etc etc.
I'm going to wash my car now
Makes your opinion no more valid than anyone else! Talk about trying to upp your standing! The nearest you have been to a war torn area is the que at the post office on pension day!
At least i know my opinion is of no more value,than anyone else but at least [bad choice of phrase i know] i have seen the desperation on people faces, and death piled up! Frankly you old softy yours is possibly the last person whos opinion is valid on this subject. Now be a good old boy and wash the caravan...........
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Come on Jonny things have changed a bit. During WW2 my dad and uncles were fighting for our freedom against the Germans, Italians and Japanese. We didn't ask for the war they did. My uncle had it worst, hand to hand combat at Monte Casino.
Dad visited Germany many times at 20,000 feet. Having dealt with many serious fires and explosions in my time I can tell you our emergency services in this country deserve a medal for the terrific traumas they have to see. How would you like to pick up the head of an 17 year old boy who's motorbike collided with a tractor. His body was 20 yards away! Even the attending police officer was sick!!
I'd like no War at all but how else do you stop the lunatics like Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam etc etc.
I'm going to wash my car now
A real eye opener.One moment of humour though,if I can mention it ,was when one of the squaddies exclaimed ' its the Taleban'.Not sure who he was expecting!
Parksy Said
'Getting away from arguments about the perceived rights and wrongs of various conflicts I watched a very moving documentary called Our War on BBC3 earlier which brought some of the realities of the conflict in Afghanistan home in a very graphic way.
It was filmed by real soldiers using 'helmet cams', some soldiers film footage of the action to post on the internet and it gets around any MOD ban on information.
In the film Private Chris Gray who was walking point on an offensive patrol was shot in an engagement with the Taliban who had set an ambush, most of our squaddies were fresh faced 18 and 19 year olds and the struggle to evacuate and treat Pte Gray was brought straight to our living rooms in this documentary which is in three parts.
Pte Gray was pronounced dead on the Chinook helicopter.
The next film is about the bomb disposal guys who have to deal with the mass of IED's'.
Parksy Said
'Getting away from arguments about the perceived rights and wrongs of various conflicts I watched a very moving documentary called Our War on BBC3 earlier which brought some of the realities of the conflict in Afghanistan home in a very graphic way.
It was filmed by real soldiers using 'helmet cams', some soldiers film footage of the action to post on the internet and it gets around any MOD ban on information.
In the film Private Chris Gray who was walking point on an offensive patrol was shot in an engagement with the Taliban who had set an ambush, most of our squaddies were fresh faced 18 and 19 year olds and the struggle to evacuate and treat Pte Gray was brought straight to our living rooms in this documentary which is in three parts.
Pte Gray was pronounced dead on the Chinook helicopter.
The next film is about the bomb disposal guys who have to deal with the mass of IED's'.
I'm quite aware of what death is but all I was trying to do was get people to imagine what it must have been like leaving the trenches or landing on those beaches in Normandy under a withering fire.
There was no showing disrespect to anyone but Gio (sorry but he will always be Gio because because by changing your nic doesn't change your attitude), as usual, had to read something into it that wasn't there as he does in most posts. The problem is he doesn't inwardly digest what is said. Just take LMHs post about a domestic case of parking on pavements and Gio is there parking outside shops with his lorry
Regarding me upping my standing Gio you couldn't be further from the truth. I did the job to pay my mortgage first and foremost, not because I wanted to help mankind. The fact of the matter is I did have to deal with various incidents along with my colleagues and two of them were ex army medics attached to the SAS.
I apologise to Surfer for the way his post as gone but he was right, people should never ever forget, even after the last WW2 veteran has taken his last breath. By remembering wont stop wars but at least it makes those of us who haven't suffered appreciate what we have.
There was no showing disrespect to anyone but Gio (sorry but he will always be Gio because because by changing your nic doesn't change your attitude), as usual, had to read something into it that wasn't there as he does in most posts. The problem is he doesn't inwardly digest what is said. Just take LMHs post about a domestic case of parking on pavements and Gio is there parking outside shops with his lorry
Regarding me upping my standing Gio you couldn't be further from the truth. I did the job to pay my mortgage first and foremost, not because I wanted to help mankind. The fact of the matter is I did have to deal with various incidents along with my colleagues and two of them were ex army medics attached to the SAS.
I apologise to Surfer for the way his post as gone but he was right, people should never ever forget, even after the last WW2 veteran has taken his last breath. By remembering wont stop wars but at least it makes those of us who haven't suffered appreciate what we have.
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