Type of dog allowed on site

[Surfer]

Over the weekend a family arrived with a Pit Bull dog which took an instant dislike to any other dog on site. This dog got loose on two occasions and went tearing around the site obviously looking for a fight but luckily all those that had dogs had the foresight to have them either in the caravan or with them in the car. At other times the Pit Bull was kept in a cage in front of their awning or in the caravfan itself.

I strongly object to people bringing this type of dog onto a site especially a family site, as a child could end up being mauled. There are a few other dogs that should also be banned from camp sites. The other caravan park in our town bans Pit Bulls obviously, Bull terriers, Staffies, German Sheherds and several other breeds that are know to cause injury.

What is your opinion on the type of dog that should or shouldn't be allowed on camp sites?

 

[LMH]

Hi Ian

Did the owner actually say it was a bit bull? Not sure where the law stands on this. I was under the impression that an entire male (uncastrated) had be destroyed as a matter of course. It might have been a tall Stafford or a Stafford crossed with something else.

I have to pull you up about Staffordshire Bull Terriers. They do sometimes get bad press due to irresponsible owners. A well socialised Staffordshire Bull Terrier is a dream to own. They are nicknamed 'the nanny dogs' such is their affinity with people. Yes, they are extremely powerful dogs indeed. However, a blanket ban is totally unfair.

Any dog can become 'dangerous' due to irresponsible or incapable owners. Power obviously makes matters worse.

My other dog is a rescue dog and does not like other dogs (apart from my Stafford). She is muzzled in public and due to my competence, never escapes. She loves people but if she takes a dislike to another dog on a walk, people obviously take a wide berth. I have seen some appaling acts of stupidity. Would you allow your small child to approach such a dog? You'd be surprised how many 'fathers' make a bee line for my muzzled dog and encourage their children to stroke her, without even asking me if the dog is safe (which it is but they don't know that). Words fail me.

As for the dog on site, someone should have approached the wardens and raised their concerns immediately. Particularly when it escaped. If it was a Pit Bull, they have a very short fuse and are extremely dangerous.

If you want to meet a nice Stafford, come and meet mine, he'll lick you and your family to death. Staffords well brought up make terrible guard dogs.

Lisa.

 

[Icemaker]

Its been raised loads of times this topic Ian, most sites do indeed ban any of the dogs on the dangerous dogs register but you will find that now the main season has drawn to a close some sites will relax the rules.

personally as a responsible dog owner (2 cavalier king charles spaniels) i totally agree that these dangerous breeds should not be allowed in public unless on a very strong leash and with a handler that is capable of restraining the dog, how many times have you seen a small child or adult being dragged down the road by a large dog ?.

I know from the past that some will say its not the dogs fault and i agree it is not, but the fact remains that whether we as humans have in the past trained these dogs to be violant or not they are now by theire nature dangerous and no member of the public should be put at risk from them especially on leisure areas such as caravan parks where children are going to be making noise and running around enjoying themselves.

 

[LMH]

Ian

When we were on holiday in Cornwall in the summer, whilst out and about, on beaches, walking through towns and villages, on average we were approached by upto 15 people a day wanting to stroke my Stafford and enquire about his temperament. This gave me the chance to dispel a few myths.

In fact, in Fowey, I was approached by a couple (middle aged, well dressed) who actually tried to make me an offer for him. They ended up taking loads of photos of him.

Staffordshire bull terriers were originally bred for bull baiting and dog fighting. As said previously, they make terrible guard dogs.

Look at this link

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/lhousley/dieselchanged.jpg
A killer in the mist? I think not.

Lisa

 

[CliveV]

Interesting point you raise Ian. I personally would never have a Pit Bull - not a breed I want to be "associated" with. Years ago when at the NCDL (now Dog Trust) a chap came in who was young but a Father because he had his equaly young wife and child with him. He said he wanted "something like a Pit Bull" - when asked why he had no idea. The NCDL interviewed him then declined to let him have a dog. Any Dog.

However - without knowing the true facts you jump to a remarkable set of conclusions in your post. - "obviously looking for a fight" - you may be correct - or not.

We have a German Sherpard cross Collie - a great old chap that was a rescue dog for no other reason than his oroginal owner died. This dog does not like other dogs that much either but he is easily controlled.

To accuse the breeds that you do is ludicrous. There is very rarely a bad dog - tho the last "bad one" I had experience of was a Flat Coat Retreiver! - That thing was positively evil and was in the end put down by its owner because it was both violent and unpredictable.

So should we now add Retrievers to the list of dogs that in your opinion "are known to cause injury" ?

And what about Jack Russells? - Damn things are always attacking my dogs and go for my legs as I am walking my dogs away! Do you want to add those dogs to your list as well?

Do I want them banned from camp sites? - No that is like saying just because you are a Muslim you are a terrorist, or because you are a one eyed Scotsman you cannot be Prime Minister. (Agh! - may be having second thoughts on that one)

So in summary - The Pit Bull you quote may have just been enthusiastic - no fights actually took place it would seem. Amazing that all the other dog owners managed to spirit their dogs away in the nick of time!

It may have been a rescue dog and in which case the owners may have taken on other idiot owners "baggage". If they had it in a cage they seem to be taking the correct actions.

Sadly is is very rare that a dog is bad - but there are many bad dog owners out there.

 

[Debbi_5109580]

I used to have a German Shepherd cross that looked identical to a pedigree Shepherd, would you then have animals looking like a particular breed banned?

At present I have a gorgeous looking mongrel but she is Staffy cross Rhodesian Ridgeback (fighting dogs) and greyhound. Should she be banned as she has two fighting dogs, which you would ban, in her breeding. To look at she is neither one or the other.

It is the owners that make dogs nasty and any responsible ownwer will mozzle a bad tempered dog and/or not take it away with them in the caravan.

Please do not blame all dogs whatever their breed or how they look, as in people not all have the same temperament within the same breed.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

Quote -

Dangerous Dogs Act (DDA) 1991

There are two main sections to this Act. Section 1 applies to four specific breeds of dog including 'the type of dog known as the pit bull terrier'. Owners of these breeds had to comply with certain legal requirements, including having their dog registered, neutered, microchipped and tattooed. One of the main problems with this law is that the pit bull terrier is not a recognised breed in the UK. As a result, many owners of cross breeds which resemble a pit bull terrier 'type' have been charged under the Act.

Section 3 applies to all dogs, making it a criminal offence to allow a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place. This includes instances where there is fear that an injury might occur.

Owners found guilty under either section of the Act could have their dog destroyed, face the possibility of six months in prison and/or a fine not exceeding level 5 (at present up to

 

[Nicci_5132668]

Dogs that have a cage are not dangerous dogs.

Many breeds like to have a place of their own, and cages can also be used for medical reasons.

I have an English Bull Terrier, and he is cage trained.

He sleeps in his cage at night (it means that they cant chew everything) and now that he is a bit older he takes himself to bed whenever he likes.

He has just had a major operation on his leg (his 3rd operation of the year) and he recovery time must be done in his cage to avoid complications.

Whenever my dog is out of the house he is on a lead, people come up to me in the street asking if my dog is friendly, I always tell them that he is with his family but doesnt like strangers (a junkie tried to grab him when he was small and he hasnt liked men much since) people will still try to stroke him.

I take offence from your post as I am a very responsible Bull Terrier owner, but I find that controlling my dog is easier than getting other people to have respect for my dog and the fact that he isnt very friendly with people he has only just met.

I will be taking my dog when we take the caravan out, he will be on a lead all the time, and will also spend some of his time in his cage.

I will have a sign on my awning/caravan that my dog isnt friendly with strangers, but I bet you that some donut will still go to stroke him.

Can I suggest that if you dont like dogs, that you go to sites that do not accept them.

 

[Lord Braykewynde]

While on this topic can I ask people who have dangerous dogs to be careful if they use one of those screw spikes that go into the ground and then tie the dog to.

We were at Sherwood Forest Caravan Park and as we were passing a tent the dog outside it charged at our three and the spike came out. I can still hear the shriek of terror from my youngest Schnauzer as it approached. Whether it was the owner shouting or the sight of my raised stick I dont know but it stopped inches from her face in which time the owner had picked up its lead and dragged it back. I dread to think what would have happened to Polly but I could have guaranteed one thing, that dog was dead if it had have bitten her and also the owner if he had started. I was seething with temper. Amazingly there was no apology from the owner but then again I wasn't expecting one.

Sorry Nicci, I can't agree your last sentence though, people should be able to come onto a site, whether they own dogs or not, and not be expected to be on their guard against dangerous dogs, caravanning is to go away and de-stress and enjoy yourself.

 

[LMH]

Well, I've have two dogs with very different temperaments. When I walk my dog which has to be muzzled, I take a riding crop out with me. The dog is never let off the lead in public and if any dogs off the lead come running up to us I give one warning shout to the owner 'call your dog back as my dog is muzzled because it will bite your dog if your dog gets too close' and if the dog is not under it's owners control quickly, it receives a strike from the crop. My dog is muzzled and on a short lead, theirs is not on a lead and not under their control. I'm sick to death of people not having control over their dogs when clearly mine is whatever its temperament.

With the other dog, he's not interested in other dogs. I do let him off the lead but if I see another dog, he's put back on it immediately. I don't want ANY dogs I don't know coming close to him, especially if they are not on the lead.

Lisa

 

[Kanga_374224132]

Is Clives wife allowed on site or does she have to stop at home?

 

[john_5094558]

Oooooooh!!!!

 

[Kanga_374224132]

I have it on good authority that Clive and his wife are both mingers

 

[Davidventura_374224135]

Lisa will you use your riding crop on me

 

[Kanga_374224132]

I heard Clives wife had a front end rebuild

 

[Surfer]

Please read my post again. I objected to the PIT BULL not any other type of dog. I mentioned dogs that another caravan park banned I did not say I agreed with it as Collies were also included.

As for my credentials regarding dogs, over the years we have bred German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Shelties, Yorkies, we have been judges at some shows and were members of the Kennel Club for many years. Have a look at http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm for a picture of a Pit Bull.

A lot of Pit Bulls are fairly placid, however they have a hair trigger which is what makes them so dangerous.

 

[CliveV]

"I strongly object to people bringing this type of dog onto a site especially a family site, as a child could end up being mauled. There are a few other dogs that should also be banned from camp sites. The other caravan park in our town bans Pit Bulls obviously, Bull terriers, Staffies, German Sheherds and several other breeds that are know to cause injury.

What is your opinion on the type of dog that should or shouldn't be allowed on camp sites?"

Ian - I have re-read you post and repeated the bit that I thought contentious.

 

[Davidventura_374224135]

Please read my post again. I objected to the PIT BULL not any other type of dog. I mentioned dogs that another caravan park banned I did not say I agreed with it as Collies were also included.

As for my credentials regarding dogs, over the years we have bred German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Shelties, Yorkies, we have been judges at some shows and were members of the Kennel Club for many years. Have a look at http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm for a picture of a Pit Bull.

A lot of Pit Bulls are fairly placid, however they have a hair trigger which is what makes them so dangerous.

well said LB, the Oracle being Clive

 

[Surfer]

I said few other dogs but did not mention breed. could be badly behaved dogs. Once again our argumentive Clive is at it again. Stick to offering caravanning advice which is what you are good at.

As a foreigner I apologise to Mr Right if my English is not up to standard but when I came in as an asylum seeker this was not mentioned to me.

 

[Davidventura_374224135]

take no notice, he's a bully

 

[CliveV]

"The other caravan park in our town bans Pit Bulls obviously, Bull terriers, Staffies, German Shepherds and several other breeds that are know to cause injury."

Ian - I do not know what camp site you refer to but you do seem to infer that the breeds you quote (and others) "are known to cause injury".

You could include a Pekinese I suppose - someone might trip over it and injure themselves!

 

[Davidventura_374224135]

put a sock in it Clive you talk absolute rubbish

 

[CliveV]

Woops - posted in comments by mistake

Whatever! - you just protest too much - your reaction to my post portrays the same attitude.

Even considering killing a dog in such circumstances is perposterous.

So any dog that nips your dog winds up dead!

Very mature!

 

[cliff_5040076]

Another topic ruined by CliveV.

Can this man not understand that most people are sick to death of his online diatribes and bullying. I, for one do not want to read his one sided and bigoted opinion and his constant hi-jacking of nearly every topic.

Clear off and let more moderate people have their say.

 

[RickyLionheart]

I too am sick and tired of CliveV's bullying and bigoted opinion, it seems that if anyone dares to disagree with him then they receive a tirade of abuse from him.

In my opinion it's time for him to be barred from the forum